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Uncle Dave

Primus Lite+ Backpacking Stove System

Photos Dave Tolnai

Do you ever outsmart yourself? I feel like I’m doing that constantly. The Primus Lite+ Backpacking Stove is a prime example.

When I first saw this thing, I felt like I must immediately have it. It seemed like the perfect, tiny little package. I loved how it all packed in on itself into a self-contained unit. You had your teeny little gas canister there in the bottom and then the actual stove right on top, and it all fit into a teensy little pot. On top of that, the pot had a fancy little heat exchanger design on the bottom, as well as a cork liner to keep your hands from burning.

Holding it in your hands, it feels substantial. The stove twists nicely into the bottom of the pot. All of the stove bits are small, but solidly functional. The valve twists nicely, and the piezo igniter fires consistently, without complaint.

It doesn’t stop there, though. The stove ships with a little folding stand that you can put under the gas canister if you want more support. As well, there are three little pegs that screw into the top of the stove, if you want to use a regular pot. And, finally, it comes with a cord and a hook, and you can origami the handle and hang the whole contraption if that’s your jam.

It’s a perfect little self contained apparatus with a whole bunch of clever little functions. If you want to sell shit to an engineer, this is exactly how you do it. So why did I find myself always leaving the thing at home?

Know Thyself

If you’ve been following along on this inconsistent bikepacking series, you’ll know that this is as much about figuring myself out as it is about the gear. What do I like to do on a bicycle? Well, it turns out that I don’t mind a long day in the saddle, but I appreciate it when there’s a coffee shop or two along the way. Call it the European Bikepacking model.

So, after receiving this stove I planned several little trips and on each of them, it seemed easier to leave the stove at home. While it is small, and not that heavy, and packs into a tidy little package, it’s still 350 grams plus the weight of the gas canister. Dropping a morning cup of tea from your plans becomes pretty easy when you’re looking to create some space in your kit.

In Use

Eventually though, it came along. And once it did, I realized that I had been missing out.

First of all, this likely isn’t the set-up for creating a large camp meal for a half dozen people. Sure, you can screw in the 3 little pegs and stick a large pot on top, but if you’re going to do that, just buy a Classic Trail or an Essential Trail for a fraction of the price and be done with it. Yes, there is no piezo igniter on either of those, but such is life.

So, this is more the stove if you’re eating meals out of a bag, or just want a hot beverage in the morning. For that, this thing is perfect. Or at least, nearly so.

As mentioned above, the nicest thing about this stove is the tidy little package it breaks down into, and then how satisfyingly it clicks together. The ignitor is a first push affair, and when the stove lights up it’s like a small jet fighter has taken off. With the little heat exchanger on the bottom, this thing is super efficient, and you can boil a half liter of water in a minute or two. I often found myself lapping others, onto my second fill as they struggled to boil a pot of water on their classic setup.

The key is the heat exchanger built into the bottom. It does a great job of guiding most of the heat right into the bottom of the pot. Any heat trying to escape out the sides heats up the vanes of the heat exchanger on its way out the side. As well as improving efficiency, I can imagine that this does a pretty good job of protecting the flame in foul weather, although I didn’t really try this out.

So, if you’re looking for a small, tight little package that’s going to quickly boil up some water, look no further. You can press it into other duties, but there are cheaper ways to do so.

The One Glaring Flaw

All is not perfect. While it’s super clever that for hauling the stove slots into the lid of the pot, it’s a really tight fit. So tight that I actually asked the folks at Primus if it’s supposed to go in there. “Yes! Of course!” So tight that it eventually cracked and broke. Yes, the stove is still useable, but the tight little package isn’t quite as tight and little any longer. The lid no longer fits perfectly into the pot, and since it has lost its ability to hold water, it no longer functions as a small cup. This is not the end of the world, but this part needs a redesign. Or some time with a 3d printer. And they should probably start stocking this in their “spare parts” area.

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Tight. Maybe too tight. Not the end of the world but not perfect, either.

In Conclusion

In conclusion, this setup is exactly what it claims to be. It’s a small, clever package that will quickly and easily boil up a half liter of water. Minimalists probably shouldn’t apply, as there are many smaller and cheaper options out there. For those looking for ease of use, heating efficiency and packability, it’s a great choice. It has a bunch of nice little features that make using it and packing it back up incredibly easy. I may start throwing it in my truck for some pre/post ride tea happenings. Every time I use it, I feel a little bit happy. Once they re-design the lid, this thing will be perfect.

If this isn’t exactly what you’re looking for, there are a few more options:

The Lite XL – Similar idea, with a 1L pot

The Lite – Similar idea, just a bit cheaper. I think this is just the older version of the Lite+ that they still happen to sell

The Feed Zone Lite+ - To my eyes, this looks exactly like the Lite+ but is “designed for bikepacking” via some bicycle themed graphics.

The Lite+ is available for US$120.

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skooks
+3 Pete Roggeman DanL kcy4130

Looks like a variation of the Jet Boil stove.  I have the Jet Boil, and it's perfect for heating up water in a hurry.  Great for making a quick cup of coffee or boil-in-the bag. Not great for actually frying or cooking things. I bring it on all my multi-day trips and I especially like it for ski touring for melting snow or when you need a hot drink in a hurry.

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DanL
+1 Pete Roggeman

A jetboil + aeropress (or hot chocolates) + mountainhouse foods = bliss. If this does that same then it's going to be great!
And although a little more pricey/heavy/not bikepacky the jetboil Genesis is a work of art for camp cooking

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cooperquinn
+3 Mike Ferrentino Pete Roggeman DanL

Yep. I love my jetboil, but its a fuckin' pain to do anything on it that isn't "AGGRESSIVELY BOIL"

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davetolnai
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It's interesting that Jetboil has more name recognition.  I think the Lite has been around for a while, and the Lite+ is just an improved version of that.  Curious who was first.

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pete@nsmb.com
+1 Niels van Kampenhout

I think Primus just isn't as aggressive/savvy with their marketing. Good brand, good products, been around way longer than JetBoil (I think) but sorta content to cruise along selling to people rather than marketing hard to sell to many more.

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niels@nsmb.com
+3 DanL GB Pete Roggeman

Primus has definitely been around much longer than Jetboil, by more than a century. I think they actually invented the portable stove. My dad still refers to any camping stove as a "primus".

We use the most basic $25 Primus stove. I've never felt the need for anything more fancy.

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BarryW
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Exactly, I've always treated them as for boiling water only.

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DanL
+2 Pete Roggeman BarryW

To be fair, the clue is in the title.

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XXX_er
+3 Pete Roggeman BarryW Niels van Kampenhout

Biking in France & Spain I went stoveless, no point in cooking when great food is everywhere

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davetolnai
+2 BarryW Pete Roggeman

Ya.  Perhaps implied but that's where I've gotten to in my life, as well.  Shit, I don't even need good food.  If you can get away without packing a bunch of food and supplies to eat it, it's just a nicer experience not having to worry about it.

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niels@nsmb.com
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Yep. Our basic Primus stove failed halfway a Corsica trip and we were sort of happy it did for exactly this reason!

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davetolnai
+3 Niels van Kampenhout Pete Roggeman Cooper Quinn

I love that 4-5 comments up you wrote "We use the most basic $25 Primus stove. I've never felt the need for anything more fancy."  It's like your strategy all along was to have an unreliable stove so that you didn't have to bother with all of that cooking nonsense.

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niels@nsmb.com
+2 GB Pete Roggeman

Almost but not quite. The French have a conspiracy going where they only sell canisters with a proprietary Campingaz screw valve. Then they sell a crappy adapter to North Americans that kills the seal in their stove so they can't cook and have to eat in French restaurants ;-)

Back home we looked into getting the seal replaced but that was a no go so we bought a new stove for $25 which is still going strong.

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davetolnai
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I like my version better.

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mikeferrentino
+3 Pete Roggeman DanL humdishum

Echoing what @Skooks said, it looks a lot like my JetBoil (and costs about the same, iirc), only my JetBoil lid still works and has a french press thingie that is of dubious value. Since I live on the surface of the sun, hot beverages are the last thing on my mind most rides. But the ability to almost instantly brew up a cup anywhere, anytime - campsite, back of van, hotel room with no electricity, old ruined adobe sheltering from the wind - has proved itself again and again from Montana to Mexico. These things are awesome.

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cooperquinn
+4 BarryW Mike Ferrentino Pete Roggeman humdishum

I gotta say... I found the JetBoil french press thing.... garbage, haha.

Agreed re: the ability to brew anywhere, though. I just keep a small tupperware in the truck with a jetboil, beans, hand grinder, and aeropress for any kind of road trip or excursion. You're never more than 5 minutes from a decent cup of coffee.

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earleb
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Primus and Jetboil need to rip off the french press design from the Stanley Adventure All-In-One Boil + Brew. The press doesn't use a rod to push the filter, it's just and open plastic tube. This allows the inside to be used for storage ala Russian nesting dolls. An ideal world is pot able to nest the stove the french press AND a pair of decent cups. 

I use the Stanley as our van camp coffee maker and it's good. Reviews complain of a drip when you pour, just need to pour the first cup at a medium reasonable rate not a full rush. A pair of stainless steel double wall mugs nest nicely inside along with several days of pre-ground bean. The hand grinder comes along but I try to grind up a weekends worth just before we leave.

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davetolnai
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Primus also has a french press thing.  I didn't mention it because:

a) I don't have it.

b) Using it would take away the whole "packs up nicely into itself" function.

https://primus.us/products/lite-coffee-tea-press-6?variant=42276781359330

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mikeferrentino
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to be fair, Cooper was far more honest and blunt in his appraisal of the JetBoil French press thingie. It is pretty lame. And for me, camping, I realized that tea or chai bags were way easier to deal with than coffee grounds.

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pete@nsmb.com
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You must hate yourself - or coffee - if you're giving up the bean in favour of tea or chai. Nothing against those things, but I only drink them at times of day when a coffee would mean a sleepless night or a hyperactive ticker.

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BarryW
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I'm with you Mike, but I'm only a coffee tourist, not at all a daily drinker and only because my wife makes a pot (and her TechniVorm makes literally the best coffee, do yourself a favor and get one of you care about coffee) but especially backpacking, kayak camping, or bike packing I'm gonna choose tea.

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cooperquinn
+1 BarryW

Its worth trying some new instant coffee - even Starbucks Via is serviceable in a lot of circumstances, but you're in California, where inevitably lots of specialty roasters will have their own instants these days.

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mikeferrentino
+4 BarryW Pete Roggeman humdishum GB

The irony that you carry a hand grinder, an aeropress and your own beans AND recommend instant coffee is not lost on me. Fuck that shit. I keep trying all these boutique instant coffees that the local hipster joints like Verve are making, and they taste like sawdust filtered through a sock and just bum me out. Fortunately, unlike Pete, I also value tea. I get that some people are absolutists - coffee or nothing else - but to me that's like being an absolutist about booze. There is good whiskey AND there is good mezcal...

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pete@nsmb.com
+1 Mike Ferrentino

Damnit, that's an argument in favour of tea that I cannot ignore. I do like the earthy smoke of a lapsang souchong, that's for sure.

velocipedestrian
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Meet you halfway? 

I've settled on coffee bags for packing light. Otherwise it's the Aeropress.

cooperquinn
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The whiskey/mezcal comparison isn't a very good one... they're comparable on alcohol content. 

You're comparing coffee to tea, which is like comparing a real beer to some 0.5% stuff that just makes you want to pee.

davetolnai
+2 BarryW Cooper Quinn

The irony @cooper, is that we were talking about uninformed hot takes just yesterday.

Let me guess...you tried a stale bag of Red Rose and didn't like it?

Konda
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I like coffee, but sometimes you just cant beat a proper cuppa with Yorkshire Tea!

BarryW
+3 Mike Ferrentino Pete Roggeman GB

Great review Dave. 

I've pretty much always been an MSR stove user, and currently own 5 different ones. 

My current favorite for size is the Pocket Rocket 2 (I think) and with pot and fuel is basically the same size as this, but probably a little lighter. 

But lately I've been more and more alcohol stove curious as my biggest complaint is the fuel canister. Even for a single meal usage I'm carrying way more fuel weight than I need, both in vessel and contents. Not to mention of I can reduce my stove and fuel size by half, I can use the space in the pot for food or other things.

The potential downside is the lack of temp control (pretty much like the Primus) and the lower BTU output and longer boil times. I'm not sure I would care personally, as I'm usually only cooking at the beginning or end of the day and I try to be relaxed about it.  

I haven't pulled the trigger yet, mostly because I usually camp from my sea kayak so I can bring pretty much anything so none of this matters and I bring a remote canister stove that puts out more BTU's and can simmer.

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Joe_Dick
+2 Pete Roggeman BarryW

On a trip where we flew to arizona for a few days, camped out of a rental van, rode bikes and eat at restaurants, I had the fuel bottle and pump for my Whisper Lite confiscated. Smart I know!. I bought a cheap butane stove a walmart for $30. while not as fancy as this Primus stove, I echo your thoughts, Its a great little stove for over night missions where you just want a warm drink and maybe a one pot meal.

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Kelownakona
+1 BarryW

I just got a twig stove. 10 dollars , packs down flat to the size of a greetings card. No needto carry fuel. 

Im sure it compares

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davetolnai
-1 Kelownakona

Seems like that option might be seasonally and location limited.

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Kelownakona
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Well obviously you need trees

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xy9ine
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i've yet not progressed past the point of just tossing a bunch of not-so-compact gear in a bike trailer for the occasional spontaneous gulf island couple days, but damn do i like looking at all the trick minimalist bike camping hardware available.

(i guess the unit in question isn't exactly minimalist, but i like the general nerdy discussion).

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davetolnai
+1 Pete Roggeman

Perry, I'm going the other way!  I started with all the lightweight shit and I'm regressing to throwing a bunch of stuff into a trailer and heading for the gulf islands.

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xy9ine
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awesome! i'm often supporting family gear, so the extra capacity is welcome / necessary. i do love the islands though. access by bike is the essential cheat code (in respect to ferries) that completely changed my perspective on exploring that region.

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GB
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I guess I have the 25$ Primus stove . Uses a isobutane canister which makes for a solid stand . Mine must be 20 years old at least ! 

This jet boil would be perfect if you are craving that first cup of coffee in a hurry . 

I put my stove and utensils in the one and only stainless pot i carry that cooks my dinner and makes my morning coffee. 

For some reason, simplicity?, I simply throw the ground beans into the boiling water and turn off the stove . Let the grounds settle for a few minutes and pour into my double wall stainless coffee cup.  

I have not visited the Gulf Islands in years  because of Covid . Now that's over I wonder if the Gulf Islands are now saturated with tourist .  The campgrounds, the few that exist are probably booked up from Reservations.  I hope I am wrong . 

Yes sir . Under 30 $ for me and my bike on the ferry . Never such thing as a sailing wait . First on . First off. 

I assume Primus has spare parts and a great warranty.  Although I don't know how I could damage the tiny yet very durable cast and machined brass fitting and very simple burner that disassembles into a tiny bag that easily fits into my cooking stove when it's packed . 

All the Gulf islands have wonderful hiking trails that entertain me for surreal night rides . Imagine the trail ending,  you exit onto a road no street lights . Just stars above you and quiet empty pavement.  Bats whizzing past providing company.

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