South Chilcotin Planning: Your Input Requested
Public Input Until January 31st
Photos by Jerry Willows.
Date: 2012-01-29
Each year, hundreds of outdoor enthusiasts get into the great wide open in the central BC region known most commonly as the Chilcotin. Knolly has a bike named after the region and Norco's Truax is named after a peak in the area; the Chilcotin is deeply embedded in BC's mountain bike world.
This year, BC Parks is finalizing the plans that surround the future of usage in the area, and they are asking for our input. The deadline is January 31, 2012.
The survey is quick and easy to fill out on the web, and you can remain anonymous if you so choose. If you have ever ridden in the Chilcotin or Big Creek – or wish to in the future, please complete the survey!
Click here to go to BC Parks' website to weigh in on the future of the Chilcotin.
Check out some of our contributors' recent articles generated from the region:
Jerry Willows: Breaking his Chilcotin Cherry - Part I and Part II
Pat Mulrooney and Dustan Sept: Late Summer
Many people return from the Chilcotin repeating the word "epic". Photo ~ Jerry Willows
Wildflowers and alpine peaks... doesn't get much better than that! Photo ~ Jerry Willows
Have your say on the future of the Chilcotin and Big Creek – fill out the quick survey. Have a story from your own epic adventures in central BC? Let 'er rip below...
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Posted by kperras at 08:54 AM on 01-25-2012
Done.
Done.
Posted by clarkee at 09:27 AM on 01-25-2012
Responding to this would be well worth it as there is a lot of negative feedback about the activities of mountain bikers in this area by the Federation of Mountain Clubs of BC. I have never been up there but I suspect it is the actions of few creating a bad impression. Air drops are certainly a big issue as they have increased in number over the last few years.
Responding to this would be well worth it as there is a lot of negative feedback about the activities of mountain bikers in this area by the Federation of Mountain Clubs of BC. I have never been up there but I suspect it is the actions of few creating a bad impression. Air drops are certainly a big issue as they have increased in number over the last few years.
Posted by MTB Trails at 10:40 AM on 01-25-2012
Is there a source for the FMBC negative feedback? Not trying to challenge you but wondering where you've heard about it
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Responding to this would be well worth it as there is a lot of negative feedback about the activities of mountain bikers in this area by the Federation of Mountain Clubs of BC. I have never been up there but I suspect it is the actions of few creating a bad impression. Air drops are certainly a big issue as they have increased in number over the last few years.
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Posted by Bryce at 01:56 PM on 01-25-2012
here are their comments on SCMP:
http://wiki.mountainclubs.org/trails...-park-planning
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http://wiki.mountainclubs.org/trails...-park-planning
Posted by FlipFantasia at 02:06 PM on 01-25-2012
pretty general comments not backed up by much evidence or research. and to be honest, in all my years of riding up there, I'm not sure I've ever seen any hikers...that doesn't mean they don't exist, just that they're pretty few and far between, in my experience...
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Posted by nick at 03:32 PM on 01-25-2012
done
done
Posted by CraigH at 05:11 PM on 01-25-2012
When we used the float plane to get to Warner last year Dale was using the return trip to pick up a load of backpackers/hikers that had spent the week in the area bagging peaks.
I know another serious hiker that also used the float plane to get him and his group back there.
I've ran into WAY more people on horse back than hiking once you get past Spruce Lake.
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pretty general comments not backed up by much evidence or research. and to be honest, in all my years of riding up there, I'm not sure I've ever seen any hikers...that doesn't mean they don't exist, just that they're pretty few and far between, in my experience...
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I know another serious hiker that also used the float plane to get him and his group back there.
I've ran into WAY more people on horse back than hiking once you get past Spruce Lake.
Posted by Hola-Day at 06:32 PM on 01-25-2012
FMBC newspaper called Cloudburst had an article in this winters issue talking about trying to limit the number of commercial flights into Spruce lake park. The article has tales of free ride mountain bikers ripping up the delicate alpine in increasing numbers.
FMBC newspaper called Cloudburst had an article in this winters issue talking about trying to limit the number of commercial flights into Spruce lake park. The article has tales of free ride mountain bikers ripping up the delicate alpine in increasing numbers.
Posted by Gary Harder at 07:52 PM on 01-25-2012
After getting dropped off by Dale on to Warner lake, we had a great time .
Riding the alpine with my son and friends,finishing off at our chalet. (Hot Tub yes...)
Tyax resort was great ,we spent a lot of money.
Dining while expensive at the resort ,the food warranted the cost.
Riding the trails while totally fun here's what I noticed.
The resort would love more mtbikers horsepeople came and filled their rooms.
The trails imo
would not stand up to a heavy traffic,very sandy and in the few wet area's where the horse's had been
litterally bogs. This is not to say if the lodge and other business's put in some $$ in the form of hiring a good trailbuilder, could be made more sustainable.
The scariest part of the whole trip,was not the first time on a float plane,but the road from Lilloett.
I am not kidding,looking up in those skinny section's of road and seeing the giant boulders hanging by a thread and occcassionally coming down.
Lots of promise for this area, but whether bikers or horses, some one needs to put in more work to make it better ,if they want more traffic.'
Gary
After getting dropped off by Dale on to Warner lake, we had a great time .
Riding the alpine with my son and friends,finishing off at our chalet. (Hot Tub yes...)
Tyax resort was great ,we spent a lot of money.
Dining while expensive at the resort ,the food warranted the cost.
Riding the trails while totally fun here's what I noticed.
The resort would love more mtbikers horsepeople came and filled their rooms.
The trails imo
would not stand up to a heavy traffic,very sandy and in the few wet area's where the horse's had been
litterally bogs. This is not to say if the lodge and other business's put in some $$ in the form of hiring a good trailbuilder, could be made more sustainable.
The scariest part of the whole trip,was not the first time on a float plane,but the road from Lilloett.
I am not kidding,looking up in those skinny section's of road and seeing the giant boulders hanging by a thread and occcassionally coming down.
Lots of promise for this area, but whether bikers or horses, some one needs to put in more work to make it better ,if they want more traffic.'
Gary
Posted by MTB Trails at 08:48 PM on 01-25-2012
http://www.mountainclubs.org/Cloudburst/2011/Fall11.pdf
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Posted by theweev at 02:31 PM on 01-26-2012
done
done
Posted by Sharon at 02:51 PM on 01-26-2012
We were just thinking about the actual possible numbers of bikers that can be dropped off by float plane to Spruce/Lorna and Warner Lakes.
The season to do this is June MAYBE, so lets say July/Aug/Sept. The busiest days would be on Fri/Sat/Sun. He can't start flying until 8:00am. He has to stop by 12-1:00 due to winds on those days.
His turnaround is probably 45min to Spruce, 1.5hrs to Lorna, something in between to Warner. He can only carry 5 bikes/people on each trip.
So the MAX he could carry if he only dropped on Spruce would be 6-7 trips = 30-35 people
Lorna he's done four in one day so 20 people. That is only on the nice weekends.
Sure its more people, but they do spread out and you're not going to do these drops in nasty weather so the trails should be able to accommodate. Horses do a lot more damage when its wet.
As Gary mentioned, people who come here spend money in the area on camping, lodging and food.
We were just thinking about the actual possible numbers of bikers that can be dropped off by float plane to Spruce/Lorna and Warner Lakes.
The season to do this is June MAYBE, so lets say July/Aug/Sept. The busiest days would be on Fri/Sat/Sun. He can't start flying until 8:00am. He has to stop by 12-1:00 due to winds on those days.
His turnaround is probably 45min to Spruce, 1.5hrs to Lorna, something in between to Warner. He can only carry 5 bikes/people on each trip.
So the MAX he could carry if he only dropped on Spruce would be 6-7 trips = 30-35 people
Lorna he's done four in one day so 20 people. That is only on the nice weekends.
Sure its more people, but they do spread out and you're not going to do these drops in nasty weather so the trails should be able to accommodate. Horses do a lot more damage when its wet.
As Gary mentioned, people who come here spend money in the area on camping, lodging and food.
Posted by clarkee at 09:21 PM on 01-26-2012
I read cloudburst, I guess the weakness is that there is no NSMBA, SORCA WORCA etc to put forward a positive view of mountain biking in the Chilcotin
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Posted by FlipFantasia at 09:25 PM on 01-26-2012
if I recall correctly I think worca was asked to provide feedback directly and did so...
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I read cloudburst, I guess the weakness is that there is no NSMBA, SORCA WORCA etc to put forward a positive view of mountain biking in the Chilcotin
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Posted by MrBond at 12:16 PM on 01-27-2012
FMCBC has posted an update on their website, stating their intentions were not to offend mountain bikers and they are working on rewording their response.
http://wiki.mountainclubs.org/trails...-park-planning
FMCBC has posted an update on their website, stating their intentions were not to offend mountain bikers and they are working on rewording their response.
http://wiki.mountainclubs.org/trails...-park-planning
Posted by Oldfart at 12:58 PM on 01-27-2012
Offended mountain bikers? They offended reality, common sense and truth. The article was almost entirely manufactured statements based on prejudice and ignorance. You would think that Vanderman wrote the piece. Edited by Monica. Footprints form boots are A OK. Hoof prints are slightly less OK but a tire track is just plain sinful. Mountain bikers going off trail and in that issue are photos of hikers off trail? And that is OK? If they took the time to actually research the history of the area, they would have noted that mining logging and ranching were prominent. The trials ridden and hiked are predominantly roads from logging and mining exploration or trails built by horse travel.
I have had a few run ins with FMCBC donkeys skiing in the back country in the past. Dangerous folk who ski badly and go out in shit conditions. The kind of folks that need rescues. But I am sure they are not all like that. Similarly I have seen donkeyism in mountain bikers. We're not all full face half a brain types and I would suggest that those that are willing and able to climb and descend up there are not the balls out DH crew that frequents bike parks.
Offended mountain bikers? They offended reality, common sense and truth. The article was almost entirely manufactured statements based on prejudice and ignorance. You would think that Vanderman wrote the piece. Edited by Monica. Footprints form boots are A OK. Hoof prints are slightly less OK but a tire track is just plain sinful. Mountain bikers going off trail and in that issue are photos of hikers off trail? And that is OK? If they took the time to actually research the history of the area, they would have noted that mining logging and ranching were prominent. The trials ridden and hiked are predominantly roads from logging and mining exploration or trails built by horse travel.
I have had a few run ins with FMCBC donkeys skiing in the back country in the past. Dangerous folk who ski badly and go out in shit conditions. The kind of folks that need rescues. But I am sure they are not all like that. Similarly I have seen donkeyism in mountain bikers. We're not all full face half a brain types and I would suggest that those that are willing and able to climb and descend up there are not the balls out DH crew that frequents bike parks.
Posted by Bryce at 02:25 PM on 01-27-2012
Its the age old "I've been here for decades I don't wanna share with no one" response - the environmental rationale is just a facade for NIMBYism and hypocrisy. When that fails, they'll shift their rationale to something else just like Monica.
Its the age old "I've been here for decades I don't wanna share with no one" response - the environmental rationale is just a facade for NIMBYism and hypocrisy. When that fails, they'll shift their rationale to something else just like Monica.
Posted by evdog at 09:11 PM on 01-27-2012
I didn't think the comments were that bad towards bikes. I'm sure there are some douchebags on bikes doing stupid shit. They just fail to mention the small % of hikers and equestrians who do similarly stupid shit.
Pretty tame compared to the crap that Vandeman or Monica spew constantly, or some of the BS we deal with in California:
http://www.pcta.org/about_trail/mountain-bikes.asp
PCT = Pacific Crest Trail, Mexico to Canada, bikes originally ok but banned due to intense Sierra Club lobbying in early 80's
Um, yeah ok whatever....:rolleyes:
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Pretty tame compared to the crap that Vandeman or Monica spew constantly, or some of the BS we deal with in California:
http://www.pcta.org/about_trail/mountain-bikes.asp
PCT = Pacific Crest Trail, Mexico to Canada, bikes originally ok but banned due to intense Sierra Club lobbying in early 80's
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Posted by CrabonFever at 11:18 PM on 01-27-2012
fyi, I was told this year the park use permit only allows max 2 landings per day on Lorna.
The area is getting busier fer sure - it seems like a zoo compared to just 10 years ago. But it is still no problem going for a spin and feeling like only a few have gone before you.
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Lorna he's done four in one day so 20 people. That is only on the nice weekends.
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The area is getting busier fer sure - it seems like a zoo compared to just 10 years ago. But it is still no problem going for a spin and feeling like only a few have gone before you.
Posted by Woodro at 11:41 PM on 01-27-2012
Curious, what is the maintenance plan up there for trails?
I did see some nasty blown out corners this fall.
Curious, what is the maintenance plan up there for trails?
I did see some nasty blown out corners this fall.
Posted by FlipFantasia at 07:28 AM on 01-28-2012
you mean beyond dale and friends cutting out deadfall? Probably not much. I know when our group goes up we usually have a few handsaws among the groups and have cut out and moved quite a few things, and we've kicked out some drainage to clear puddles, but I don't know that that's really maintenance. It would take some serious work to fix the damage horses have done to gun meadows/gun creek, and even then, not convinced it would last long, those beasts do a number on the trails, especially when its wet.
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Posted by CraigH at 03:20 PM on 01-29-2012
Warren from Spruce Lake Wilderness Adventures has done work on the trails he has tenure for. The man is a very skilled carpenter with a chain saw. (He has since sold the business, but I'd guess the new owners will be continuing to do work.)
I'm sure the other guide companies do work on their tenured trails.
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I'm sure the other guide companies do work on their tenured trails.
Posted by MTB Trails at 03:25 PM on 01-29-2012
Note that the article has been re-worded. Thanks to the FMCBC for a measured temperate response. It's appreciated.
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Posted by FlipFantasia at 03:40 PM on 01-29-2012
that is a much better response, positive outcome for sure.
that is a much better response, positive outcome for sure.
Posted by morgman at 01:35 AM on 01-30-2012
BC Parks is planning the future of South Chilcotin Provincial Park as well as Big Creek Park and the surrounding areas. The deadline for public input is this Tuesday, January 31st. Please go HERE and fill out the online survey – it's quick and easy.
Some of our contributors published articles from the Chilcotin in 2011; click here to check out their definitions of epic...
BC Parks is planning the future of South Chilcotin Provincial Park as well as Big Creek Park and the surrounding areas. The deadline for public input is this Tuesday, January 31st. Please go HERE and fill out the online survey – it's quick and easy.
Some of our contributors published articles from the Chilcotin in 2011; click here to check out their definitions of epic...
Posted by Onegear at 05:48 AM on 01-30-2012
I did Big Creek park as well, There is a mining tenure there that could have a long term impact, if you care about that kind of stuff.
I did Big Creek park as well, There is a mining tenure there that could have a long term impact, if you care about that kind of stuff.
Posted by Woodro at 08:29 AM on 01-30-2012
Very important bikers log on and fill out the form. I'll bet the Federation of Mountain Clubs of BC have responded in force to this question:
What types of recreational activities do you think should be permitted?
Very important bikers log on and fill out the form. I'll bet the Federation of Mountain Clubs of BC have responded in force to this question:
What types of recreational activities do you think should be permitted?
Posted by Mic at 12:58 PM on 01-30-2012
The original link where we are asked for input is not working for me.
The original link where we are asked for input is not working for me.
Posted by Mic at 01:00 PM on 01-30-2012
For some reason, the link is not working for me. All I get is a completely blank page, and I cannot find it on the government of BC's website either. At least not in a hurry.
For some reason, the link is not working for me. All I get is a completely blank page, and I cannot find it on the government of BC's website either. At least not in a hurry.
Posted by morgman at 01:14 PM on 01-30-2012
Try again Mic:
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/bcparks/pla...llooet_mp.html
The deadline is tomorrow so there is a bit of a hurry.
Try again Mic:
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/bcparks/pla...llooet_mp.html
The deadline is tomorrow so there is a bit of a hurry.
Posted by Mic at 01:20 PM on 01-30-2012
I get a website, well - sort of, but still no survey... :(
A couple of minutes later - not even a website. Damn.
And as soon as I try to go via BC Parks on the left-hand side - blank again, could well be that the site is overrun?
I get a website, well - sort of, but still no survey... :(
A couple of minutes later - not even a website. Damn.
And as soon as I try to go via BC Parks on the left-hand side - blank again, could well be that the site is overrun?
Posted by morgman at 01:31 PM on 01-30-2012
That is just odd. Anyone else having problems?
That is just odd. Anyone else having problems?
Posted by FlipFantasia at 01:40 PM on 01-30-2012
can you try a different browser? working fine for me in firefox
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Posted by TH WHISTLER at 02:46 PM on 01-30-2012
Make sure you do a form for Big Creek as well. Lorna/Graveyard and some other areas fall into this park as well. And the Fed of Mountain Clubs def seem to want bikers not doing drops at Lorna. Just duplicate your answers on the form.
Make sure you do a form for Big Creek as well. Lorna/Graveyard and some other areas fall into this park as well. And the Fed of Mountain Clubs def seem to want bikers not doing drops at Lorna. Just duplicate your answers on the form.
Posted by taprider at 03:30 PM on 01-30-2012
which area covers Shulaps Traverse and Birkholder Lake?
which area covers Shulaps Traverse and Birkholder Lake?
Posted by FlipFantasia at 03:41 PM on 01-30-2012
shulaps isn't in a park, proposed or otherwise
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Posted by 1375 at 04:08 PM on 01-30-2012
For the environment's sake, i wish they would ban bikes in this area.
For the environment's sake, i wish they would ban bikes in this area.
Posted by chris2 at 04:32 PM on 01-30-2012
Skip down to page 13 for mountain biking, some interesting strategies including building a new mtn bike primary trail from Spruce lake to Tyax lodge (heading East from Spruce lake to Mud Creek FSR). Hopefully this wouldn't result in bikes being restricted from Gun Creek trail as it would be a very different experience.
http://www.wildernessstewardshipandt..._spruce_mp.pdf
Skip down to page 13 for mountain biking, some interesting strategies including building a new mtn bike primary trail from Spruce lake to Tyax lodge (heading East from Spruce lake to Mud Creek FSR). Hopefully this wouldn't result in bikes being restricted from Gun Creek trail as it would be a very different experience.
http://www.wildernessstewardshipandt..._spruce_mp.pdf
Posted by FlipFantasia at 04:41 PM on 01-30-2012
so these other groups keep talking about 'user conflict'...has anyone ever experienced any? I've always had pleasant experiences, save a couple of surly horse dudes, and don't get these references to conflict that hiking groups keep making. Is this just perceived conflict? ...in above link, be sure to check the horse section as their suggesting horse only on B&F and Lick creek trails....
so these other groups keep talking about 'user conflict'...has anyone ever experienced any? I've always had pleasant experiences, save a couple of surly horse dudes, and don't get these references to conflict that hiking groups keep making. Is this just perceived conflict? ...in above link, be sure to check the horse section as their suggesting horse only on B&F and Lick creek trails....
Posted by MTB Trails at 04:55 PM on 01-30-2012
That PDF is from Chilcotin Holidays. http://www.chilcotinholidays.com/
Those guys dislike mountain bikers yet promote guided trips on their website. I don't know biker in their right mind who's actually taken one of their trips and not regretted it. Take what's said there with a grain of salt
That PDF is from Chilcotin Holidays. http://www.chilcotinholidays.com/
Those guys dislike mountain bikers yet promote guided trips on their website. I don't know biker in their right mind who's actually taken one of their trips and not regretted it. Take what's said there with a grain of salt
Posted by CraigH at 05:16 PM on 01-30-2012
Map of the 9 areas they are asking for feedback on (big map is huge!):
http://archive.ilmb.gov.bc.ca/slrp/l...ges/phase1.jpg
Here is a PDF map that shows towns & roads to orient the huge map above:
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/bcparks/pla...gional_map.pdf
Map of the 9 areas they are asking for feedback on (big map is huge!):
http://archive.ilmb.gov.bc.ca/slrp/l...ges/phase1.jpg
Here is a PDF map that shows towns & roads to orient the huge map above:
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/bcparks/pla...gional_map.pdf
Posted by Joe Dick at 05:23 PM on 01-30-2012
I talk to the chilcotin holiday guides all the time. they do have some problems with bikes coming out of gun creek. mostly its people wanting to ride through a groups of pack horses heading the same direction.
Dale has some ideas on how to fix this via twinning the trail in key spots. mostly it comes down to sharing the trail. if you come on a pack train heading the same direction as you, you have to give them a chance to find a spot to get off the trail. there are only a few spots they can do that. communicate with the lead rider and be patient.
but yeah, chilcotin holidays management has it out for bikes.
I talk to the chilcotin holiday guides all the time. they do have some problems with bikes coming out of gun creek. mostly its people wanting to ride through a groups of pack horses heading the same direction.
Dale has some ideas on how to fix this via twinning the trail in key spots. mostly it comes down to sharing the trail. if you come on a pack train heading the same direction as you, you have to give them a chance to find a spot to get off the trail. there are only a few spots they can do that. communicate with the lead rider and be patient.
but yeah, chilcotin holidays management has it out for bikes.
Posted by CrabonFever at 05:28 PM on 01-30-2012
I've never met any users that expressed issues with conflict.
But I think there is an inherent conflict between the outfitters - air lifting cyclists for the gun cr descent isn't very compatible with horse outfitters whose guests are paying for a certain kind of wilderness experience.
I've never met any users that expressed issues with conflict.
But I think there is an inherent conflict between the outfitters - air lifting cyclists for the gun cr descent isn't very compatible with horse outfitters whose guests are paying for a certain kind of wilderness experience.
Posted by CraigH at 05:39 PM on 01-30-2012
Responded to the survey for South Chilcotin, Big Creek & Yalakom.
Responded to the survey for South Chilcotin, Big Creek & Yalakom.
Posted by CrabonFever at 05:50 PM on 01-30-2012
I've filled out chilcotin's nice web form but am annoyed by the pdf for Yalakom and Big. Oh well, print and scan I guess
I've filled out chilcotin's nice web form but am annoyed by the pdf for Yalakom and Big. Oh well, print and scan I guess
Posted by CraigH at 06:09 PM on 01-30-2012
The web form works for those too. Click the link in the very first post in this thread.
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Posted by KevinB at 06:09 PM on 01-30-2012
Big Creek Park is the light green area just to the north of South Chilcotins Park, on the map Craig posted. Most of the area over the height of land towards Lorna Lake, Graveyard Creek, etc., is in Big Creek Park. I filled out separate comment forms for South Chilcotins and Big Creek, and was careful to use the term "cross country mountain biking" and "cross country cycling" rather then just mountain biking.
Big Creek Park is the light green area just to the north of South Chilcotins Park, on the map Craig posted. Most of the area over the height of land towards Lorna Lake, Graveyard Creek, etc., is in Big Creek Park. I filled out separate comment forms for South Chilcotins and Big Creek, and was careful to use the term "cross country mountain biking" and "cross country cycling" rather then just mountain biking.
Posted by KevinB at 06:10 PM on 01-30-2012
Don't get me started on the mangement of chilcotin holidays...
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Posted by CraigH at 06:15 PM on 01-30-2012
There is a ton of info, reports & maps related to South Chilcotin & Big Creek at the very bottom of the page at this link:
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/bcparks/pla...llooet_mp.html
The other 7 areas also have info/reports/maps on the page.
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BTW, I merged the 2 threads on this survey as it is important to get as many mtn bike returns as possible.
There is a ton of info, reports & maps related to South Chilcotin & Big Creek at the very bottom of the page at this link:
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/bcparks/pla...llooet_mp.html
The other 7 areas also have info/reports/maps on the page.
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BTW, I merged the 2 threads on this survey as it is important to get as many mtn bike returns as possible.
Posted by CrabonFever at 06:15 PM on 01-30-2012
Sweet, thanks. My excuse is I got distracted looking at all the maps, daydreaming of the riding to be done later this year.
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Posted by HappyGilmore at 02:14 AM on 01-31-2012
done and thanks for keeping this alive
done and thanks for keeping this alive
Posted by InaCycle at 09:00 AM on 01-31-2012
Filled in surveys for South Chilcotin and Big Creek last night.
Have been visiting these areas since 2004. It is such a beautiful area that we need to help maintain and ensure it remains open to multi-users, including mountain bikers. FYI - I've never experienced any conflict on the trail to date. Folks have always been respectful and friendly of each other.
Filled in surveys for South Chilcotin and Big Creek last night.
Have been visiting these areas since 2004. It is such a beautiful area that we need to help maintain and ensure it remains open to multi-users, including mountain bikers. FYI - I've never experienced any conflict on the trail to date. Folks have always been respectful and friendly of each other.
Posted by Mic at 11:10 AM on 01-31-2012
Damn, cannot try a different one, sorry for that.
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That is just odd. Anyone else having problems?
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can you try a different browser? working fine for me in firefox
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Posted by CraigH at 11:28 AM on 01-31-2012
This link doesn't work for you (scroll down to middle of page for link to online form)?
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/bcparks/pla...llooet_mp.html
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Damn, cannot try a different one, sorry for that.
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http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/bcparks/pla...llooet_mp.html
Posted by leverfingers at 12:34 PM on 01-31-2012
There were trail days in the past. Dale put them on. I went and did a week up there a couple summers in a row, but it's been a while. Horses ruin trails. Anybody who doesn't think that horses are the worse trail offenders are somewhere in outer space. One word - excrement. Who else actually shits all over the trail, and doesn't stop for creek crossings either. Drink anyone? Chilcotin holidays really had it in for us mtbers in the past, but I haven't had much friction with them in the last ten years or so, they are coming to the party slowly.
There were trail days in the past. Dale put them on. I went and did a week up there a couple summers in a row, but it's been a while. Horses ruin trails. Anybody who doesn't think that horses are the worse trail offenders are somewhere in outer space. One word - excrement. Who else actually shits all over the trail, and doesn't stop for creek crossings either. Drink anyone? Chilcotin holidays really had it in for us mtbers in the past, but I haven't had much friction with them in the last ten years or so, they are coming to the party slowly.
Posted by Bryce at 12:50 PM on 01-31-2012
I'm sure thats exactly the result they desire. Kinda like how they recommend that mtn bikes be booted off the trails leading to their cabin.
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a new mtn bike primary trail from Spruce lake to Tyax lodge (heading East from Spruce lake to Mud Creek FSR). Hopefully this wouldn't result in bikes being restricted from Gun Creek trail as it would be a very different experience.
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Posted by Mic at 10:49 AM on 02-01-2012
The only thing I get is a pretty nice background image, along with some logos and possible links - but not the form.
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This link doesn't work for you (scroll down to middle of page for link to online form)?
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Posted by CraigH at 06:23 PM on 02-01-2012
I wonder if they check IPs and then block any that aren't in Canada?
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The only thing I get is a pretty nice background image, along with some logos and possible links - but not the form.
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Posted by Mic at 08:04 AM on 02-03-2012
It would be weird, but I was starting to think the same. I am in no way an internet geek, or technology nerd - but it was strange that I could not take a look at the survey...once. And I basically tried three days in a row.
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I wonder if they check IPs and then block any that aren't in Canada?
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Posted by FlipFantasia at 08:09 AM on 02-03-2012
I'm not sure why they'd limit by IP though, is there a rationale for only allowing Canadians to see the form? If a foreigner has used the park, is that not valuable input as well?
I'm not sure why they'd limit by IP though, is there a rationale for only allowing Canadians to see the form? If a foreigner has used the park, is that not valuable input as well?
Posted by Mic at 08:21 AM on 02-03-2012
I'd second that. I was trying to take part simply because I want these places open for riders. I have not (yet) been there.
I have no idea if my browser was just bitchy, or if they really shut out foreign IPs...
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I'm not sure why they'd limit by IP though, is there a rationale for only allowing Canadians to see the form? If a foreigner has used the park, is that not valuable input as well?
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I have no idea if my browser was just bitchy, or if they really shut out foreign IPs...
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