NSMB.com Enduro Week Intro
What is Enduro... and Why does it Matter?
Words by Seb Kemp.
Date: 2012-01-23
For the week of January 24 to 27, NSMB will be bringing you exclusive content about Enduro racing. But why? Why should you care? What possible relevance has this got to you and your experience of riding?
Well this week we will bring you exclusive news about the cycling world’s governing body and why they are looking to involve themselves and many more riders in Enduro worldwide. We will bring you exclusive news about three Enduro events that are taking place in the Sea-To-Sky Corridor this summer. We will speak to some of the riders who are leading the pack in Enduro racing to ask them why they think Enduro racing is picking up momentum and how this racing format affects our everyday riding experience.
Until now, Enduro has defied categorization. For example, the Canadian Open Enduro in Whistler was a mass-start event up until 2010 – but not all Enduro events follow this model.
The logical starting point is to define what Enduro is. The problem is that mountain biking has never had a neat relationship with names and titles.
Mountain bike racing has taken on many different forms over the years; cross country, short course cross country, downhill, eliminator, dual slalom, four-cross, marathon, super D to name the ones I can think of. But the two formats that have really stuck are the ones resembling NASCAR and drag racing the most: cross country and downhill.
Cross country and downhill are the most straightforward and understood, they make up a large percentage of the races that take place all over the world each weekend, and the UCI has recognized and organized a world cup series since 1991 (downhill came on in 1993).
These two formats represent, to most riders, what mountain biking is all about. Or do they? When was the last time you kept your seat up for the downhills on a sunday ride and how many people ride their bikes just downhill? For most of us the kinds of bike we ride allow us to go up and down equally well and doing so is the basis of most rides.
A third type of race format is rapidly gaining traction. The bikes aren’t so specialized and represent what many people ride anyway, it doesn’t require the public embarrassment of wearing lycra - I concede that for most XC racers it is not at all embarrassing for them to wear lycra, which is another topic entirely - and anybody can have a go from weekend warrior to veteran racer of either cross country or downhill. It takes the format of most of our recreational rides and adds an element of competition to the fun bit: the downhills.
This is Enduro racing.
Sort of.
Another model of Enduro event is the Trans-Provence, a multi-day Enduro stage race in France.
You see Enduro races can take many forms. It can mean a mass start race down a mountain. It can mean a day of loops where only the downhills are timed. It can mean a week long point to point backcountry adventure with predominantly downhill timed sections dotted throughout each day.
Things still aren’t that clear about what exactly Enduro means yet as we will see over the course of the week. But is that so bad? At the moment all Enduro organizers are focused towards maximizing the fun for entrants, guaranteeing maximum value for money, and trying to find the best all-round mountain biker.
This week we will be asking the people that organize, partake and understand what Enduro means. Keep tuned in to NSMB this week as we unravel Enduro.
Stoked on Enduro? Stoked on Enduro Week? Stoked in general? Speak below!
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Posted by connor at 12:29 AM on 01-24-2012
BC "enduro"
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BC "enduro"
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Posted by Guest at 04:13 AM on 01-24-2012
Australia is another country that misuses the name Enduro. Here it refers to 50 to 100km longcourse cross country races and 12hr and 24hr events around a shortcourse track. An real Enduro event was held here recently under the All Mountain title. Confusing? Yes, indeed.
Australia is another country that misuses the name Enduro. Here it refers to 50 to 100km longcourse cross country races and 12hr and 24hr events around a shortcourse track. An real Enduro event was held here recently under the All Mountain title. Confusing? Yes, indeed.
Posted by Guest at 04:18 AM on 01-24-2012
Same confusion in Australia. There is even a magazine called "Enduro" dedicated to marathon type events and 24hr racing! Seems they do not know the correct meaning...
http://enduromag.com.au/site/
Same confusion in Australia. There is even a magazine called "Enduro" dedicated to marathon type events and 24hr racing! Seems they do not know the correct meaning...
http://enduromag.com.au/site/
Posted by Guest at 04:57 AM on 01-24-2012
Extremely stoked on Enduro!!
Extremely stoked on Enduro!!
Posted by Dave Pike at 05:25 AM on 01-24-2012
I'm still relatively new to Mountain biking as I come from a road background. However, in 2 and a half years I've been riding on the dirt, I've gone from cross country racing, to downhill, to more "enduro" type riding. What draws me to Enduro racing/riding (and what drew me to mountain biking in general) is the fun factor. Enduro, as you've said, is exactly what most of us do anyway. Ninety percent of my rides go up and down, and some have drops, rocks, creeks, etc. that you wouldn't see on an xc track or downhill course. But it's more fun that way! Taking a bike into the backcountry, walking up stuff you can't ride while carrying you bike on your back and shredding down is what it's all about for me. I love it and hope to see more and more Enduro events, especially in North America.
I'm still relatively new to Mountain biking as I come from a road background. However, in 2 and a half years I've been riding on the dirt, I've gone from cross country racing, to downhill, to more "enduro" type riding. What draws me to Enduro racing/riding (and what drew me to mountain biking in general) is the fun factor. Enduro, as you've said, is exactly what most of us do anyway. Ninety percent of my rides go up and down, and some have drops, rocks, creeks, etc. that you wouldn't see on an xc track or downhill course. But it's more fun that way! Taking a bike into the backcountry, walking up stuff you can't ride while carrying you bike on your back and shredding down is what it's all about for me. I love it and hope to see more and more Enduro events, especially in North America.
Posted by the Master Plan Dan at 06:05 AM on 01-24-2012
Canadian Open Enduro was amazing last year! If I can sell a kidney I will buy an AM bike suitable for the event and do it again this year, but after the two bike purchases already this year....
What a great event. For another good one closer to home (Vancouver) the SD at the North Shore Bike Fest was also amazing!
Canadian Open Enduro was amazing last year! If I can sell a kidney I will buy an AM bike suitable for the event and do it again this year, but after the two bike purchases already this year....
What a great event. For another good one closer to home (Vancouver) the SD at the North Shore Bike Fest was also amazing!
Posted by bent hanger at 07:26 AM on 01-24-2012
Great article for clarity. The term is thrown around quite a bit
Great article for clarity. The term is thrown around quite a bit
Posted by shirk at 11:28 AM on 01-24-2012
Actually I'd call that stage racing. The whole of each stage was timed. You didn't need to climb up to the top of Garbo on your own power.
Richies Rally was a proper Enduro. We climbed to the top of each of the special stages untimed then it was pin it time for the timed DH.
http://www.richieschley.com/richies-rally.php
BC has the potential for amazing Enduro racing. Super fun events. I am looking forward to more of them.
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BC "enduro"
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Richies Rally was a proper Enduro. We climbed to the top of each of the special stages untimed then it was pin it time for the timed DH.
http://www.richieschley.com/richies-rally.php
BC has the potential for amazing Enduro racing. Super fun events. I am looking forward to more of them.
Posted by FlipFantasia at 11:34 AM on 01-24-2012
let's hope the UCI stays away, although sounds like they've got their stupid eyes on it....fastest way to kill creative events that define 'enduro' is to let those idiots make it 'official'....in my very humble opinion...
let's hope the UCI stays away, although sounds like they've got their stupid eyes on it....fastest way to kill creative events that define 'enduro' is to let those idiots make it 'official'....in my very humble opinion...
Posted by Guest at 11:55 AM on 01-24-2012
I agree it is confusing, however, to be fair, the term "Enduro" would be more indicative of an "Endurance" themed, or "longer" event, as opposed to one requiring increased technical or downhill prowess. Linguisitically, titling these events "Super D" or "All Mountain" may be more descriptive. Enduro sounds a lot better though but literally only captures thwe endurance aspect of these races and not the part that makes them special which is the combination of endurance and technical riding.
I agree it is confusing, however, to be fair, the term "Enduro" would be more indicative of an "Endurance" themed, or "longer" event, as opposed to one requiring increased technical or downhill prowess. Linguisitically, titling these events "Super D" or "All Mountain" may be more descriptive. Enduro sounds a lot better though but literally only captures thwe endurance aspect of these races and not the part that makes them special which is the combination of endurance and technical riding.
Posted by nick at 12:14 PM on 01-24-2012
Enduro is really just rally racing on a mountain bike to me... that's what most of us have done here forever... well with skinnys as well, so i guess it's more like "downhill trials enduro mountain biking"
Enduro is really just rally racing on a mountain bike to me... that's what most of us have done here forever... well with skinnys as well, so i guess it's more like "downhill trials enduro mountain biking"
Posted by Oldfart at 12:17 PM on 01-24-2012
Mine too. I appreciate that a governing body at the highest level is required, but to me, these guys are a bunch of road guys with no off road experience. Hence wrecking XC to make it TV friendly with multiple laps of a shorter course. They wouldn't dream of changing road races into crits or kermesses for TV's sake. And don't get me going on pits for XC.
I like the concept of this Enduro type of races. I would rather see things evened out with a course where a longer travel bike and skills evened out the climbing though. Count the uphill and make it technical up down and across.
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let's hope the UCI stays away, although sounds like they've got their stupid eyes on it....fastest way to kill creative events that define 'enduro' is to let those idiots make it 'official'....in my very humble opinion...
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I like the concept of this Enduro type of races. I would rather see things evened out with a course where a longer travel bike and skills evened out the climbing though. Count the uphill and make it technical up down and across.
Posted by Fraxinus at 12:32 PM on 01-24-2012
You have to be really careful when you start timing uphill bits in Enduro. Add too much timed uphill and it very quickly becomes a test of fitness more than tech capability, which gets you back towards the same net result as Super-D IMHO.
In the European Enduros that we run on big "natural" alpine trails, we tend to find that the big descent stages have enough incidental uphill sections within them (e.g. 50m vert uphill over the course of a 500m vert downhill stage) that we actually say, yeah, that was enough leg work to even things out, no need to be adding out-and-out uphill stages.
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I would rather see things evened out with a course where a longer travel bike and skills evened out the climbing though. Count the uphill...
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In the European Enduros that we run on big "natural" alpine trails, we tend to find that the big descent stages have enough incidental uphill sections within them (e.g. 50m vert uphill over the course of a 500m vert downhill stage) that we actually say, yeah, that was enough leg work to even things out, no need to be adding out-and-out uphill stages.
Posted by lycra_wearer at 12:53 PM on 01-24-2012
heaven forbid a race that requires some fitness as well as technical skill
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You have to be really careful when you start timing uphill bits in Enduro. Add too much timed uphill and it very quickly becomes a test of fitness more than tech capability, which gets you back towards the same net result as Super-D IMHO.
In the European Enduros that we run on big "natural" alpine trails, we tend to find that the big descent stages have enough incidental uphill sections within them (e.g. 50m vert uphill over the course of a 500m vert downhill stage) that we actually say, yeah, that was enough leg work to even things out, no need to be adding out-and-out uphill stages. |
Posted by morgman at 01:00 PM on 01-24-2012
The cool thing about Enduro as it sits is the courses can vary quite a bit. Rather than a Downhill which is almost 100% gravity oriented, or XC which is majority fitness-based, or Super D which doesn't include an endurance aspect, Enduro includes elements of all of these.
While sanctioning Enduro may apply restrictions to events that want to be involved on that level, the discipline as a whole still has potential for different organizers to put their own twist on it.
I'm not really stoked on all-out XC racing, though I do like the endurance aspect of all day XC and AM rides – so the prospect of more stage-based Enduro events locally is of great interest to me.
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I like the concept of this Enduro type of races. I would rather see things evened out with a course where a longer travel bike and skills evened out the climbing though. Count the uphill and make it technical up down and across.
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While sanctioning Enduro may apply restrictions to events that want to be involved on that level, the discipline as a whole still has potential for different organizers to put their own twist on it.
I'm not really stoked on all-out XC racing, though I do like the endurance aspect of all day XC and AM rides – so the prospect of more stage-based Enduro events locally is of great interest to me.
Posted by Bryce at 01:03 PM on 01-24-2012
But thats what XC already is. I think they've got it right with untimed climbs that have a cut-off. Adjust the cut-off to make it more fitness-oriented or more skill-oriented.
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Count the uphill and make it technical up down and across.
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Posted by barnz0rz at 01:04 PM on 01-24-2012
I'm really interested in doing this race this year. Are the transfers to the stages difficult? As in did anyone actually miss their start time on the next stage?
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Canadian Open Enduro was amazing last year! If I can sell a kidney I will buy an AM bike suitable for the event and do it again this year, but after the two bike purchases already this year....
What a great event. For another good one closer to home (Vancouver) the SD at the North Shore Bike Fest was also amazing! |
Posted by nouseforaname at 01:06 PM on 01-24-2012
Get back in the box troll.
As if DH racing, with zero uphill, doesn't require fitness. Never mind something like the MegaAvalanche.
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heaven forbid a race that requires some fitness as well as technical skill
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As if DH racing, with zero uphill, doesn't require fitness. Never mind something like the MegaAvalanche.
Posted by Fraxinus at 01:10 PM on 01-24-2012
I never said that. Enduro SHOULD require fitness (there's a lot of pedalling uphill involved, and there are indeed even time cutoffs for the climbs) but you just have to be careful about how much uphill you time... too much timed uphill and you favour XC specialists and you negate the tech descents and defeat the point of it being an Enduro. I refer to the "Physics" part of the "It's Only a Name..." article.
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heaven forbid a race that requires some fitness as well as technical skill
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Posted by lycra_wearer at 01:12 PM on 01-24-2012
ahh
i don't think that one was linked when last I read.
bbs
however, the fitness only comes into play if the 'liaison stages' are time-limited and long enough to require a modicum of fitness, not something that can be easily hike-a-bike'd or ridden at sunday coffee-klatch pace
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I refer to the "Physics" part of the "It's Only a Name..." article.
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i don't think that one was linked when last I read.
bbs
however, the fitness only comes into play if the 'liaison stages' are time-limited and long enough to require a modicum of fitness, not something that can be easily hike-a-bike'd or ridden at sunday coffee-klatch pace
Posted by Fraxinus at 01:12 PM on 01-24-2012
100% this ^^^
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But thats what XC already is. I think they've got it right with untimed climbs that have a cut-off. Adjust the cut-off to make it more fitness-oriented or more skill-oriented.
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Posted by the Master Plan Dan at 01:14 PM on 01-24-2012
Super easy... well except for the climb up Blackcomb. There is easily enough time to get from location to locatio. I don't think I heard of anyone missing their start time.
Lost Lake and Blackcomb were my favorites....
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I'm really interested in doing this race this year. Are the transfers to the stages difficult? As in did anyone actually miss their start time on the next stage?
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Lost Lake and Blackcomb were my favorites....
Posted by clarklewis at 01:17 PM on 01-24-2012
this following is sarcasm:
we need moar subcategories of mountain biking so that every race and ride can be defined precisely so we know which of our 6 bikes to bring. perhaps the climbing difficulty, flat sections, and descending sections could all get a rating from 1 to 1000 in terms of difficulty.
not sarcasm: "enduro" or whatever you call it requires a combination of fitness and skillz. that's it. another term for it could be "mountain biking as fast as you can".
this following is sarcasm:
we need moar subcategories of mountain biking so that every race and ride can be defined precisely so we know which of our 6 bikes to bring. perhaps the climbing difficulty, flat sections, and descending sections could all get a rating from 1 to 1000 in terms of difficulty.
not sarcasm: "enduro" or whatever you call it requires a combination of fitness and skillz. that's it. another term for it could be "mountain biking as fast as you can".
Posted by shirk at 01:21 PM on 01-24-2012
But is it
"ALL mountain biking as fast as you can".
Or
"OVER mountain biking as fast as you can".
:)
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not sarcasm: "enduro" or whatever you call it requires a combination of fitness and skillz. that's it. another term for it could be "mountain biking as fast as you can".
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"ALL mountain biking as fast as you can".
Or
"OVER mountain biking as fast as you can".
:)
Posted by barnz0rz at 02:03 PM on 01-24-2012
Done deal, I'm in then.... I was counting on at least 1 super hard climb anyway
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Super easy... well except for the climb up Blackcomb. There is easily enough time to get from location to locatio. I don't think I heard of anyone missing their start time.
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Posted by Oldfart at 03:05 PM on 01-24-2012
Yeah your probably right. I was thinking of climbs that take more than just a good set of lungs to get up. But riders would just jump off and run and where's the fun in that. I think there is an impression that XC racing at many levels has become overly groomed and far less technical that the roots of mountain biking would suggest. Kind of like cross country ski racing has little in common what what it used to be. Super groomed wide tracks on highly specialized equipment. It is fun to do, but..
Maybe don't time the big grinding road climbs but time some technical climbs that take 15 20 minutes and add penalty times for getting off and running sections. Too complex I suppose.
To me the best rider can climb and descend. Make the climbs shorter time ways than the decent and you can reward someone who can climb while not giving the race away.
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But thats what XC already is. I think they've got it right with untimed climbs that have a cut-off. Adjust the cut-off to make it more fitness-oriented or more skill-oriented.
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Maybe don't time the big grinding road climbs but time some technical climbs that take 15 20 minutes and add penalty times for getting off and running sections. Too complex I suppose.
To me the best rider can climb and descend. Make the climbs shorter time ways than the decent and you can reward someone who can climb while not giving the race away.
Posted by Guest at 07:22 PM on 01-24-2012
It has alot to do with the course. I did this race 2 yrs in a row, once with a 6 inch bike and once with a dh bike. time was identical over the 20 min course. Probably better riders were fastest on trail bikes. key was it was inclusive and fun for all riders, but to be competitive the course rewarded the smaller, but not too small, bikes.
It has alot to do with the course. I did this race 2 yrs in a row, once with a 6 inch bike and once with a dh bike. time was identical over the 20 min course. Probably better riders were fastest on trail bikes. key was it was inclusive and fun for all riders, but to be competitive the course rewarded the smaller, but not too small, bikes.
Posted by Guest at 07:23 PM on 01-24-2012
It has alot to do with the course. I did this race 2 yrs in a row, once with a 6 inch bike and once with a dh bike. time was identical over the 20 min course. Probably better riders were fastest on trail bikes. key was it was inclusive and fun for all riders, but to be competitive the course rewarded the smaller, but not too small, bikes.
It has alot to do with the course. I did this race 2 yrs in a row, once with a 6 inch bike and once with a dh bike. time was identical over the 20 min course. Probably better riders were fastest on trail bikes. key was it was inclusive and fun for all riders, but to be competitive the course rewarded the smaller, but not too small, bikes.
Posted by mattbc at 08:50 PM on 01-24-2012
To say BC doesn't have much of this style of racing, means your not looking. FVMBA hosted an All Mountain Toonie Series in the Fraser Valley last year. A points series that was made up of XC, AM and Super D races. The Over All Series Results proved that we didn't favor any one disapline. To loosely classify them, 1st place overall was a XC guy and 2nd place was a DH guy. FVMBA will be hosting our All Mountain Series very soon with all 5 races being held between Feb 26th to April 15th. Watch the forums for early bird reg info in the coming weeks.
To say BC doesn't have much of this style of racing, means your not looking. FVMBA hosted an All Mountain Toonie Series in the Fraser Valley last year. A points series that was made up of XC, AM and Super D races. The Over All Series Results proved that we didn't favor any one disapline. To loosely classify them, 1st place overall was a XC guy and 2nd place was a DH guy. FVMBA will be hosting our All Mountain Series very soon with all 5 races being held between Feb 26th to April 15th. Watch the forums for early bird reg info in the coming weeks.
Posted by mattthemuppet at 08:50 AM on 01-25-2012
Enduros in the UK are 6,12 and 24h races on courses from 2-10miles plus, as in, they're endurance races (rather than short XC races). The fact that Enduro means one thing in Europe and North America and another thing in the UK and Australia doesn't mean one is wrong and one is right, it's just the same name for different things.
Enduros in the UK are 6,12 and 24h races on courses from 2-10miles plus, as in, they're endurance races (rather than short XC races). The fact that Enduro means one thing in Europe and North America and another thing in the UK and Australia doesn't mean one is wrong and one is right, it's just the same name for different things.
Posted by mattthemuppet at 09:07 AM on 01-25-2012
weird, same comments as the intro article (read that one first).
Seriously though, this guy is getting his knickers in a major twist. The first Red Bull 24h Enduro was in 1998, which was one of if not the first Enduros in the UK. If Mr. Enduro above is right in saying that French Enduros took off in the late '90s, then the two came about at the same time.
Stomping his foot and saying that the UK mtb scene made a "glaring" error in not consulting the French to see if a name had already been used (if in fact it had yet been used) around the same time just comes across as petulant and childish. The UK mtb scene wasn't trying to steal or take ownership of some word the French mtb scene thought they had some kind of right too, it was just the right word for them, just as it was for what the French were doing. Kinda reminds me of Cannondale trademarking the word "Freeride" back in the day. Just makes you look like a douche.
weird, same comments as the intro article (read that one first).
Seriously though, this guy is getting his knickers in a major twist. The first Red Bull 24h Enduro was in 1998, which was one of if not the first Enduros in the UK. If Mr. Enduro above is right in saying that French Enduros took off in the late '90s, then the two came about at the same time.
Stomping his foot and saying that the UK mtb scene made a "glaring" error in not consulting the French to see if a name had already been used (if in fact it had yet been used) around the same time just comes across as petulant and childish. The UK mtb scene wasn't trying to steal or take ownership of some word the French mtb scene thought they had some kind of right too, it was just the right word for them, just as it was for what the French were doing. Kinda reminds me of Cannondale trademarking the word "Freeride" back in the day. Just makes you look like a douche.
Posted by Fraxinus at 10:15 AM on 01-25-2012
Matt the "Muppet", you are forgetting one thing here and that's that....
... IS NOT a universally accepted fact even *WITHIN* the UK !!
In other words there are luckily quite a proportion of MTBers & organisers who actually know that Enduro is Enduro, and not the Marathon events of which you speak.
I refer you, for example, to Page 19 of December 2011 MBR Magazine, the UK's 2nd biggest selling MTB print publication: "What is Enduro? ... multi-stage timed events... the common denominator is always GRAVITY"
How about asking Dan Atherton (he's from the UK isn't he?) what Enduro is. Or just watch him TELL you what Enduro is here: http://www.pinkbike.com/video/238989/
The bottom line is that before we can properly develop and spread Enduro racing, it's important for us to make sure that Enduro is a GLOBALLY recognised term for a recognised discipline type. Not TWO discipline types where you constantly have to ask "which Enduro" we're talking about.
Matt the "Muppet", you are forgetting one thing here and that's that....
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Enduros in the UK are 6,12 and 24h races on courses from 2-10miles plus, as in, they're endurance races (rather than short XC races).
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In other words there are luckily quite a proportion of MTBers & organisers who actually know that Enduro is Enduro, and not the Marathon events of which you speak.
I refer you, for example, to Page 19 of December 2011 MBR Magazine, the UK's 2nd biggest selling MTB print publication: "What is Enduro? ... multi-stage timed events... the common denominator is always GRAVITY"
How about asking Dan Atherton (he's from the UK isn't he?) what Enduro is. Or just watch him TELL you what Enduro is here: http://www.pinkbike.com/video/238989/
The bottom line is that before we can properly develop and spread Enduro racing, it's important for us to make sure that Enduro is a GLOBALLY recognised term for a recognised discipline type. Not TWO discipline types where you constantly have to ask "which Enduro" we're talking about.
Posted by nick at 10:45 AM on 01-25-2012
to be fair, the word "enduro" comes from the word endurance. In french and english.
to be fair, the word "enduro" comes from the word endurance. In french and english.
Posted by Mic at 10:58 AM on 01-25-2012
that makes sense when you think of motocross racing - different from Supercross, or other course-based races and events: hammering on an enduro-style and equipped motocross motorbike through the Carpathians is a different beast than racing around a track Bubba-style.
But when I think of mountainbiking, personally I find the term "enduro" a bit misleading.
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to be fair, the word "enduro" comes from the word endurance. In french and english.
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But when I think of mountainbiking, personally I find the term "enduro" a bit misleading.
Posted by Oldfart at 01:04 PM on 01-25-2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enduro
This is the motor cycle enduro description.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enduro
This is the motor cycle enduro description.
Posted by Fraxinus at 02:24 PM on 01-25-2012
Yes, and???
What so you think that the Megavalanche, Mountain of Hell, Superenduro, EnduroSeries, Trans-Provence, etc don't require good endurance ???
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What so you think that the Megavalanche, Mountain of Hell, Superenduro, EnduroSeries, Trans-Provence, etc don't require good endurance ???
Posted by mattthemuppet at 06:27 AM on 01-26-2012
I think he was pointing out that the logical word for both types of events was Enduro, therefore no one has a greater claim over the other for the use of it.
I don't see the big fuss over the use of Gravity Enduro in the UK to differentiate between 6h+ Enduro races and the more DH oriented Euro style Enduros.
I think he was pointing out that the logical word for both types of events was Enduro, therefore no one has a greater claim over the other for the use of it.
I don't see the big fuss over the use of Gravity Enduro in the UK to differentiate between 6h+ Enduro races and the more DH oriented Euro style Enduros.
Posted by Mic at 12:33 PM on 01-26-2012
In a certain way, the whole discussion is sort of "funny". Maybe older guys remember the debates about slopestyle events, a definition of "freeriding", etc. Us humans do need neat little labels and boxes. Kind of cute.
In a certain way, the whole discussion is sort of "funny". Maybe older guys remember the debates about slopestyle events, a definition of "freeriding", etc. Us humans do need neat little labels and boxes. Kind of cute.
Posted by walleater at 01:32 PM on 01-26-2012
KILL ME NOW! FFS....
KILL ME NOW! FFS....
Posted by Fraxinus at 01:49 PM on 01-26-2012
We could argue forever about what's "logical", the fact is that there are already clear and widely-accepted definitions! Those 6, 12 and 24-hour races in the UK to which you refer are pretty much universally referred to as "Marathon" or "Marathon XC" (also as per UCI definition).
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Posted by nick at 01:58 PM on 01-26-2012
A good name to reduce confusion could be "downhill trials technical cross country off road cycling enduro" or you can simplify it to "mountain biking"
*edit* I added enduro to my super cool term, sounds better!
A good name to reduce confusion could be "downhill trials technical cross country off road cycling enduro" or you can simplify it to "mountain biking"
*edit* I added enduro to my super cool term, sounds better!
Posted by walleater at 02:25 PM on 01-26-2012
Who fucking cares, and fuck the UCI!
Anyway, back to bleeding a Reverb.....
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We could argue forever about what's "logical", the fact is that there are already clear and widely-accepted definitions! Those 6, 12 and 24-hour races in the UK to which you refer are pretty much universally referred to as "Marathon" or "Marathon XC" (also as per UCI definition).
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Anyway, back to bleeding a Reverb.....
Posted by clarklewis at 03:23 PM on 01-26-2012
what's the record for a successful reverb bleed?
has anyone gotten a good result first try? i mean a really good result, lightning-fast rebound.
what's the record for a successful reverb bleed?
has anyone gotten a good result first try? i mean a really good result, lightning-fast rebound.
Posted by DrewM at 10:10 PM on 01-26-2012
The new Reverb's (black collar; different line; different fitting) have been very good (even out of the box).
Although, if you are looking for a solid "fwap" on your bits you may want to try a Gravity Dropper.
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Posted by mattthemuppet at 09:44 AM on 01-27-2012
I'm not forgetting that Enduro has different meanings in the UK, that's part of the point. Stamping your foot and saying that one meaning is more "right" than the other meaning just makes you look childish, especially the CAPS SHOUTING. I also don't know anyone in the UK or at any of the 12 and 24h enduros I did that would call it Marathon XC, whatever the UCI might have to say about that. Saying that you just did a 24h Marathon XC event would have your mates rolling around laughing and calling you a knob jockey.
It's also worth pointing out that there is really very little terrain in England (Scotland and Wales is a bit different) where you can hold Euro-style Enduro events - there aren't huge swathes of connected off-road trails and no mountains to speak of. There's a reason why the UK's World Cup DH race is held in Scotland you know..
I'm not forgetting that Enduro has different meanings in the UK, that's part of the point. Stamping your foot and saying that one meaning is more "right" than the other meaning just makes you look childish, especially the CAPS SHOUTING. I also don't know anyone in the UK or at any of the 12 and 24h enduros I did that would call it Marathon XC, whatever the UCI might have to say about that. Saying that you just did a 24h Marathon XC event would have your mates rolling around laughing and calling you a knob jockey.
It's also worth pointing out that there is really very little terrain in England (Scotland and Wales is a bit different) where you can hold Euro-style Enduro events - there aren't huge swathes of connected off-road trails and no mountains to speak of. There's a reason why the UK's World Cup DH race is held in Scotland you know..
Posted by Oldfart at 12:46 PM on 01-27-2012
My last one took all of 10 or 15 minutes. Mostly because I actually read the damn instructions several times. Always successful first try. Elixir brakes on the other hand. Fuck!
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Posted by taprider at 08:48 AM on 01-28-2012
Funny the debate of who owns "Enduro"
we have attached "enduro" to "Six Hour Enduro" on the Shore for 20 or more years
(at Seymour ski run area in 1991 and Burnaby Mtn earlier)
The French are very into making mtn biking as Moto as possible - beaks mandatory on helmets, moto-cross pajamas mandatory and the use of the moto enduro name for rally-style races.
I know Enduro is going to stick to the Euro rally-style events, but does that mean Squamish'es Loonar Enduro will have to change their name?
Funny the debate of who owns "Enduro"
we have attached "enduro" to "Six Hour Enduro" on the Shore for 20 or more years
(at Seymour ski run area in 1991 and Burnaby Mtn earlier)
The French are very into making mtn biking as Moto as possible - beaks mandatory on helmets, moto-cross pajamas mandatory and the use of the moto enduro name for rally-style races.
I know Enduro is going to stick to the Euro rally-style events, but does that mean Squamish'es Loonar Enduro will have to change their name?
Posted by Woodro at 10:48 AM on 01-28-2012
I just go straight to James for his special sauce. Otherwise, even when I get it back from warranty, its slow as molasses...
James, as you know, is the only way.
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