Vid - 5 Days in Pemby With...

Posted by Hard Tack at 04:50 PM on 12-19-2011
Bets on how long it takes for this thread to go south?

Posted by Sharon at 04:54 PM on 12-19-2011
Trails look awesome.

I was wondering why he was on such a big bike at the beginning till I saw some of the lines he was taking later on...

Posted by slimdog at 04:57 PM on 12-19-2011
I like. I use to rip around Pemby with a truck like that but no redneck exhaust stack.

Posted by Sideshow at 05:10 PM on 12-19-2011
ya Pro, git in er dun.

Posted by DaveM at 05:16 PM on 12-19-2011
wow, the kid can sure rip and you can't go wrong with some Waylon in the soundtrack

Posted by FlipFantasia at 06:05 PM on 12-19-2011
really liked the editing too, the leaves/branches tunnel slo mo shot was done really well!

Posted by pipeline at 06:14 PM on 12-19-2011
not long. let me go.

that video was a riot!

Posted by morgman at 06:40 PM on 12-19-2011
Nicely shot and edited—good vibe. I can't imagine his truck smells very good inside with the exhaust coming out right behind the window like that!

Posted by HaamStacks at 06:41 PM on 12-19-2011
lol what a skid - he's wearing the jeans he rioted in @ 1:10

Posted by Hard Tack at 07:02 PM on 12-19-2011
Prolly smells like it was set on fire or something.

Posted by Jimmy-James at 07:15 PM on 12-19-2011
Say what you want about the rioting but this kid rips.

The bright side of him losing all his sponsors is that we get vids like that. All about the riding and not just some commercial with forced product shots.

Posted by heckler at 07:29 PM on 12-19-2011
any guy that rides with a chainsaw is OK in my books.

Posted by semaj at 08:03 PM on 12-19-2011
I kept waiting for the truck to be upside down, but nice riding!

Posted by stephenmatthews at 09:04 PM on 12-19-2011
Alex rides trails smoother and faster than pretty much anyone. The guy does a ton of trail work in the Sea to Sky corridor too, he's put a ton of time into the trails he shot in Pemberton for this film. He's one of my best buddies in Whistler, and isn't slowing down on a bike anytime soon!

Posted by mtraslin at 10:46 PM on 12-19-2011
Great riding! OH BOY! DK!!!! Brings back memories of skateboarding in the eighties....I think I actually got pretty scared when I heard that music at a skateboard comp....Steve Cab and the rest of them getting gnarly at Expo 86.... :grinno:

Posted by Tom at 11:10 PM on 12-19-2011
I liked it. Almost made it all the way through without a gratuitous roost shot.

Posted by pedalpower at 07:53 AM on 12-20-2011
I'd be a lot more impressed if the video showed him doing some volunteer work in the community. Actions speak louder than words, an apology alone is not enough.

Posted by Hard Tack at 08:23 AM on 12-20-2011
Yup...there it is.

That's what I was talking about, bOomforreal,thanks for the negrepz though.

Posted by stephenmatthews at 09:12 AM on 12-20-2011
I kinda thought they hit the nail on the head with this video. Mountain bike edit for a mountain bike website...yep nailed it. Maybe it's you who missed the point?

Posted by FlipFantasia at 09:19 AM on 12-20-2011
yeah, no one saw the trio of times I ran into him (and his dad and DK) out in Pemby maintaining trails and building bridges over stream crossings he hardly ever rides (he doesn't climb very much)..he f'ed up, we get it, he also has done good, but no one likes remembering that. Good people screw up, get over yourselves, drop the holier than thou attitude, please. Now get back to talking about how awesome an edit this is!

Posted by beeeom at 11:06 AM on 12-20-2011
yeah this vid is awesome

Posted by Bryce at 11:46 AM on 12-20-2011
didn't watch, I won't slag him but I have no interest in anything he does

Posted by Buster Bluth at 12:58 PM on 12-20-2011
Actually, that was a bit harsh on my part. Let me change that to:

Fart Alex Pro.

There. Better.

And I'm not watching that video. There's thousands of good videos out there that don't have sheeple that light police cars on fire.

Posted by VancouverIslguy at 02:02 PM on 12-20-2011
Agreed on the not watching bit. Good people do screw up yes but that doesn't mean that I'm going to give him a second chance to be in the spotlight. Let the man ride his bike but without the benefit of us giving him any attention.

Posted by Straw at 03:06 PM on 12-20-2011
I liked the video, and the lack of product shots.

The trails looked fun, and he was super smooth. Went on a bit long though, it could have been half the length.

Maybe my attention span is getting worse though.

Posted by clownmitts at 03:24 PM on 12-20-2011
i just wanted to thank the parents of the year for bringing us this mountain biking treasure

Posted by cam@nsmb.com at 04:25 PM on 12-20-2011
Seriously?

When you did stupid things as a young person was it your parents' fault?

Posted by clownmitts at 04:36 PM on 12-20-2011
You're asking a retarded question. Of course it wasn't their fault, however are your assertions equally stupid, that parents bare no share of the blame in raising an asshole?

Posted by Ace:Hayden at 04:50 PM on 12-20-2011
alex was 0.00004% of the riot.. it was over 6 months ago, he had something to lose, he lost it and paid for it. He will always shred and and you cant take that away from him.

Posted by clownmitts at 05:08 PM on 12-20-2011
yeah rock on bro

Posted by beeeom at 05:24 PM on 12-20-2011
guess you missed the volunteer work in the video then...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9Z7n5J2BDY...00/Crybaby.jpg

you may want to have a good chat with your own parents before your start flinging shit around

Posted by cam@nsmb.com at 05:39 PM on 12-20-2011
Perhaps you mean bear? I'm not sure what you mean by "however are your assertions equally stupid.' Do you mean as stupid as your assertions? I didn't make any assertions at all, (have a quick look back) so I'm finding it difficult to compare.

How was my question 'retarded'? Because it points out your flawed logic?

Calling them 'parents of the year' because of their son's actions is ridiculous. Good people, with good parents (who did all the right things), screw up all the time. Screwing up is what makes us human. Maybe have a quick look back and see if you are human as well.

Posted by Wernie at 05:40 PM on 12-20-2011
Its your parents fault for raising a moron troll like you. Why did they not abort you when they saw what a complete idiot you are? Clearly every stupid thing you say (and by god you say many stupid stupid things) is their fault. Maybe your parents should pay for raising such an asshole as you

Posted by K-Loops Rider at 05:53 PM on 12-20-2011
You are a complete assclown. Ace is right, everyone can bitch and moan that he rioted and yes that was wrong, but he paid the price so why not let him get on with his life? Everyone makes mistakes.

Posted by VancouverIslguy at 06:00 PM on 12-20-2011
Is that the best you can really do? Alex Pro had his chance in the limelight and blew it. Now that doesn't mean he isn't a nice guy but actions speak louder than words and the images of him flipping that truck are going to stay with him for a long time. Go do a google image search and tell me how easy it is to find an image of him in that riot. Number 2 on my search. Let him do trail work, let him help old ladies across the street, I don't care what he does to personally feel better about himself for what he was involved with. I personally feel that he doesn't deserve our attention, he lost that right.

Posted by DAVEHULL at 06:08 PM on 12-20-2011
YEEE BUDDDY. fucking send it. video was just as good if not better than the green river edit.

Posted by walleater at 06:11 PM on 12-20-2011
I preferred number 18, although Alex arguably has better hair.

Posted by stephenmatthews at 06:18 PM on 12-20-2011
The trail work didn't start when those photos showed up...ever ridden in Whistler or Pemberton yourself? A lot of those trails have his work in them.

Posted by VancouverIslguy at 06:24 PM on 12-20-2011
I've ridden quite a few of them. Good on him for doing his part in the MTB community. My point remains that I believe he lost the priviledge of our attention when those pictures surfaced.

Posted by Bob Vila at 06:30 PM on 12-20-2011
Has everyone forgotten that he originally lied about flipping the truck?

Like fuck, how can you guys sit here and think that him doing trailwork somehow counts as community service for being a retard taking part in the riot?

Unbelievable.

Posted by clownmitts at 06:54 PM on 12-20-2011
In a really perverse way, I sympathise a little with all you Alex Pro apologists. I mean, it's really hard to understand why anyone would get mad at a bunch of people lighting stuff on fire, breaking things and picking fights with cops. I also understand how many of you are willing to give Alex Pro the benefit of the doubt and yes, I understand, it's really easy to make mistakes especially when all your bros are with you goading you on (who wants to disappoint their bros???).

On the other hand, I implore all of you, the mountain biking bro, to try and understand my point of view, that of the tax paying citizen who has to endure all of your bullshit (for the second time in 15 years). From the comfort of your parents' basement, I would like you all to consider that I, like your parents, work very hard to pay for a roof over my head (and that of my family) not to mention taxes so that our governments (local, provincial, federal) have the money to pay our public servants to make our city, province and country secure. I think for the most part that they do a very good job and I don't mind paying for the services that our government has to offer. This is how we build community and a strong community is the bedrock for maintaining a high standard of living. A high standard of living is what gives me the opportunity to participate in frivolous middle class conceits, like ridiculous sports where I throw myself down a hill on two wheels.

When one of your precious bros gets together with his precious bros and starts having a big bro party which involves lighting stuff on fire, breaking things and picking fights with police, you're putting on a huge drag on my standard of living. Your bro party costs a lot of money, time and other resources. Not only are you making it hard for me to get home without getting tear gassed, you're damaging a lot of public property which is a drag on my taxes. You're putting the lives of a lot of cops at risk and if they get hurt, that's another drag on my taxes. When a cop gets hurt at your bro party, that means an ambulance that was on standby in case of other medical emergencies has to be pulled away to look after said cop. That puts other people at risk, like the old lady with with health problems or the motor vehicle accident victim or whatever.

Your bro party has a large fiscal and social cost which is entirely unnecessary. But I guess I can sympathise a little bit because 1) your hockey team lost 2) who doesn't want free stuff on robson street???

On the other hand, those of us who pay taxes, including your parents don't like the idea that money has to be reallocated in order to pay overtime for our deserving police, paramedics, nurses and doctors when that money could have been spent on improving services that we elect our government to provide (including parks which contain mountain bike trails, some of which Alex Prochazka may have ridden). Many of us taxpayers frown upon this sort of thing and those of us that witnessed the first stanley cup riot, really frown upon this sort of thing. In fact, there are several of us who don't want another riot to occur in Vancouver ever again regardless of the shame and dissapointment of losing a hockey game. And what better way to remind the bros of our resolve than to make an example of bros like Alex Prochazka? If Alex never finds another sponsor again I think it would serve to set a really good example for anyone who decides to throw another bro party the next time the canucks lose a stanley cup.

Sorry bros but I don't think Alex is done paying the piper.

PS bros,

http://i.imgur.com/nu0T9.jpg

nice shirt bro

Posted by clownmitts at 06:56 PM on 12-20-2011
lol are you serious? you don't like my spelling?

Posted by cam@nsmb.com at 07:17 PM on 12-20-2011
Maybe you didn't actually read my reply if that was all you noticed, but I guess you're not able to defend your argument (or like me, decipher what you were actually trying to say).

I knew that anyway.

Posted by pedalpower at 07:45 PM on 12-20-2011

Building trails seems oddly self serving, no? If he really felt bad for what happened, why didn't he go downtown to help with the cleanup?
Flame away if you must...
PS: The guy in the blue jersey to the left needs a punch in the face.

Posted by blunt boy at 08:15 PM on 12-20-2011
He paid your price. You're just a little easier to buy off I guess.

I have no interest in watching the little Rick'r ride even though I'm sure he can rip.

Posted by Hard Tack at 08:18 PM on 12-20-2011
See, I knew this would happen

Posted by stephenmatthews at 08:45 PM on 12-20-2011
It's a shame it happened, Hard Tack, because when it comes down to it, it's a great edit.

Posted by mr_fungle at 08:52 PM on 12-20-2011
Amazing foresight! I never saw it coming...

Considering how he lied about his involvement until the pictures proved otherwise, and then came out with a pretty weak apology, I don't blame people for still being pissed. All it takes is one stupid move, he made two. There are too many good riders, who have never had a chance to be in the limelight, who deserve it more at this point IMO.

Posted by K-Loops Rider at 09:37 PM on 12-20-2011
Thats precious, he paid my price. I fail to see how the loss of all his sponsors, obviously loss of fellow rider support (in some cases), and the impending charges is not paying the price. If you don't want to watch him ride then don't and to the other guy who said that he doesn't deserve our attention that is strictly your opinion, I will still watch the kid shred.

Posted by Pissed Guest at 11:12 AM on 12-21-2011
This video, this post was all a bad idea. what the puck could be gained from showing this? anyone could've predicted the flame-up this forum was gonna create. Commencial probably want their bike back now. And think this is gonna bring him back into the fold of enlisted pro riders? should've just gone riding sans video cause now he just looks desperate and trying to hang on to what he had.

Im sorry but the fact this video ever saw the light of day on your front page makes NSMB look pretty transparent. You just perpetuated the whole bro-brah BS, unconditional respect for a sponsored rider, which I hate about the MTB media.

Do what you will with this comment, put it up or not, I could have just signed in and skipped the moderation but for your sake I didnt. The fact that you think this guy deserves to be seen in a positive light, makes me question whether I ever come back to surf this site. Next time post a goddam video of Alex "Pro" going to work off the debt he owes to that contractor guy he fucked over and then I might gain a little respect for him or the people who defend/ make light of his idiotic actions. Wish he had just paid his dues, and faded off into the sunset like any smart person who screwed up would've done.

Everyone probably would've have lightened up on him if he had rolled over his own truck at the end of the video. Totally off topic but that hillybilly mid-box exhaust is just whack. Tell J-Rock you want your 20 bucks back buddy.

Posted by Buster Bluth at 01:20 PM on 12-21-2011
I agree. Dumb move, Cam. You seem to have a need to argue with people or something.

Posted by apac4 at 01:22 PM on 12-21-2011
Given the gratuitous truck shots and the shot of him drinking a beer it seems like he hasn't learned a whole lot from this experience. Yeah yeah I know the big stupid truck is part of his whole redneck hard-shredding identity or whatever, and that most people here, myself included, typically have a beer at the end of the day...but all this controversy stems from him getting drunk and helping to destroy another person's truck. Given that a truck or beer isn't essential to a MOUNTAIN BIKE edit, this guy showing off his truck and suggesting that he's cooler cause he's drinking shows a real lack of sensitivity to what he got in trouble for in the first place. If I were a professional mountain biker and lost my career because I burnt down some innocent guy's house, the last think I'm going to do in my 'comeback' edit is give a tour of my mansion. Think about how the guy who doesn`t have a truck anymore feels when he sees this.
This edit doesn't show that Alex Pro is a responsible adult who made a mistake but is trying to overcome it through his riding, it show`s that he`s still just an ignorant chongo who doesn`t understand consequence. Wonder why people think you`re a loser bro douchbag because you`re a mountain biker? Its not just because of the guy on the hardtail with Monster T`s cutting off kids at the skatepark, its also because of people like Alex Prochazka and shit like this.

Posted by DaveM at 01:54 PM on 12-21-2011
Wow I sure wish I was as pure as half the people posting here, and I'm really glad I wasn't chastised for life for some of the really stupid things I did as a kid.

Do you all research the background of every athlete, musician and entertainer before you decide to watch? I sure hope you don't watch any professional sports or enjoy any music then.

Some of you will never feel he can move past this, so why should he bother trying to change your minds. You have the choice not to watch it.

Some people just saw a kid shredding on a bike and it looked pretty fun.

Posted by George Sr. at 01:59 PM on 12-21-2011
this is a MTB site - not a social and moral lens for the world

don't wanna see it? don't click it.

for those who want to see a remarkable piece of MTB video, they can go right ahead

and Buster, you're just a terd out there

Posted by Ace:Hayden at 02:16 PM on 12-21-2011
i remember last time I had a gatorade i got hammered brah

Posted by taprider at 02:34 PM on 12-21-2011
^well said

Posted by blunt boy at 02:51 PM on 12-21-2011
8 months does not a life make. You also seem to have learned from your mistakes.

Posted by VancouverIslguy at 03:06 PM on 12-21-2011
Anything that you, or I, or anybody in this thread may have done in the past pales in comparison to the magnitude of Alex's fuck up. I'm pretty sure that throughout my life I wasn't representing large corporations with my image. So those stupid things you did as a kid are excusable considering that the worst that may have happened was you getting grounded. Alex went out knowing full well that his image represented, Oakley, Target, Commencal Young Guns, Evoc, Shimano and however many other companies that supported him.

Participating in a riot that stained the image of Vancouver is not something that is forgotten lightly nor should be.

Posted by clownmitts at 03:14 PM on 12-21-2011
this isn't chastisement, this is internet retribution

fuck you alex! is chatisement

Posted by Buster Bluth at 03:38 PM on 12-21-2011
The more I think about this being posted here, the angrier I get. It's only been 6 months since the riot. Talk about rubbing salt into our wounds. Jeez, maybe we can watch some highlights of that numbnuts water polo guy swimming some laps or something. What a fucking winner.

Posted by GladePlayboy at 04:11 PM on 12-21-2011
Nothing in this video is of interest to me...

Posted by Bob Vila at 04:50 PM on 12-21-2011
This is one of the dumbest posts I've read in the thread.

Jesus christ.

Posted by DaveM at 05:18 PM on 12-21-2011
well i can just consider the source and not be offended by yours

I agree he screwed up and it's a big deal and I was pretty disturbed by the whole riot at the time.

I just can't bring myself to continue to hate someone that hasn't done something to me personally. That's my opinion and I'm just as entitled to it as everyone else is theirs.

Posted by apac4 at 05:35 PM on 12-21-2011
Haha, damn, if it was gatorade then i stand corrected. I'm right about the other stuff though.

Posted by FlipFantasia at 07:18 PM on 12-21-2011
ditto. and further more, what do you guys whom are still really angry about this want those of us whom are his friends to do exactly? Abandon him? Ostracize him? Push him away and hold on to some kind of bitterness and hatred towards him? Alienate him totally from the world? WTF? What will it take for you guys to be satisfied? Doesn't seem to be anything from my POV.

Posted by cam@nsmb.com at 07:56 PM on 12-21-2011
I'm not sure what you are suggesting here. That I shouldn't express my actual opinions? If you are suggesting that I shouldn't point out what I think is an injustice, like the criticism of Alex's parents, you are talking to the wrong guy. Perhaps you think I should serve up some politically correct spew because it would serve my business interests? I'm sorry to inform you that I am more interested in integrity than I am in business.

I agree.

I admit that I thought long and hard about whether to post this - partially because of the appearance of condoning Alex's actions and partially because of the inevitable flaming. In the end I decided our posting criteria shouldn't depend on whether our moral code aligns with an individual rider's actions in the past or whether this will have some impact, negative or positive on his reputation. Our purpose is to entertain and inform - obviously not at any cost - but that remains our mandate. One could certainly argue that from a news perspective it would have been a disservice to ignore the fact that this video was made and served up on the web. It certainly would have been cowardly not to post it - and part of me wanted to succumb to that and avoid the inevitable shitstorm.

We are not beholden to Alex nor to any of his former sponsors. I will admit that I liked the riding and filming in the video - but that has very little relevance. Like you I think this was too early and I would have preferred to have seen some evidence of reparations on Alex's part before seeing a video of him riding. To me this was a strategic error.

If anything my feeling was that this video was likely to do more harm than good to Alex's situation for the reasons stated above, but again I decided that shouldn't influence our decision about whether to post or not. If I hadn't posted this video a potential criticism would have been that I avoided posting it to protect him. I have enough experience with this and with our audience to know what the outcome would be - as witnessed in the posts above. None of the outrage expressed in the posts above is a surprise to me. I knew it was coming.

At the same time I believe in second chances and I'm optimistic that Alex will show us the steps he has taken to make amends when the time comes, and I'm hopeful he can turn things around. While I don't condone his actions in any way I have the self-awareness to realize that at 19 I too could have been swept up in the same potent alcohol, mob and adrenalin-fuelled cocktail that Alex unfortunately lost himself to. I would hope that I wouldn't have but having never been exposed to that intense combination I am unable to say that unequivocally. Take a look back in your past and ask yourself if as a young person you ever drove too fast, or drank too much and got behind the wheel, or just did something stupid and random, perhaps while drunk, that had unintended consequences. I bet some of you even told the occasional lie to protect yourself from the consequences of your actions. For some reason it's often those who, if they were honest about it, could confess to the most serious of these actions who are out for blood. I outlined my thoughts on that here.

You may question our judgement, as I have second-guessed it, but I can assure you our motivation had nothing to do with any of the bro association you are projecting on me or nsmb.com, nor to any desire to rehabilitate Alex's reputation.

Hopefully you'll keep tuning in but I understand that people have strong feelings about this issue. I'm sure the anger, disgust and disappointment I felt as a result of the actions of Alex and every one one of the rioters was every bit as intense as yours. As someone who was born and raised in Vancouver I wouldn't be surprised to learn that I was more disgusted than you.

I have no comment on your criticism of Alex's exhaust solution.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Posted by Bob Vila at 08:10 PM on 12-21-2011
Him to man up and take responsibility for his actions? An apology on facebook doesn't cut it.

Did he go down to Vancouver to help clean up? Has he personally apologized to the owner of the truck? Offered to help pay for damages he personally caused?

As far as I know, none of these things happened(if they have, I am ignorant of it and will take back what I've said)

He honestly just seems like he's just waited for it to blow over(which clearly it hasn't)

Posted by juan at 08:44 PM on 12-21-2011
The vid was alright. Nothing special though

I am still pissed over the whistler dog slaughter!

Posted by Hard Tack at 08:57 PM on 12-21-2011
Thanks for the above post,Cam.

Alex is a good kid who did something bad.

That is all. He lost his job over it...do people really neeeed to see himm grovel for forgiveness?

I hope not.

My first post in this thread was a bit of a troll,but I had no idea that so many folks were this petty and vindictive that a video of a former pro rider would send them off the rails,but I guess that is the way society on the interwebs is these days.

It was a nice video...that is all.

two more things....If Myles Rockwell or Missy Giove were somehow able to make a comeback after both having been convicted of drug trafficking,would the bike world be as hard on them as well?

Are the shittalkers in this thread leaning on the waterpolo player just as hard?

Posted by walleater at 09:24 PM on 12-21-2011
Didn't they both just grow / sell some weed? That surely makes them heroes in BC?!

Posted by Bryan at 09:38 PM on 12-21-2011
Who? What waterpolo player?

Posted by Bob Vila at 09:47 PM on 12-21-2011
Some waterpolo kid was caught trying to light a cop car on fire end ended up losing his scholarship cause of it I believe

Posted by Hard Tack at 09:48 PM on 12-21-2011
The one who may or may not have allegedly on film set a cop car on fire.

Posted by Bryan at 09:56 PM on 12-21-2011
umm I think the only one involved was that MTB'er no?

Posted by Hard Tack at 10:02 PM on 12-21-2011
Oh, you're right...he pulled off the whole riot by himself.

What was I thinking?

Posted by andrew_r_mcintosh at 10:57 PM on 12-21-2011
Notice how the majority of the positive comments in this thread are by people with real names for interwebz handles?

Posted by VancouverIslguy at 11:38 PM on 12-21-2011
What's that have to do with anything?

I hold no personal hatred towards Alex Pro. I've conceded that people get caught up in the moment to do stupid things. Honestly though can anybody tell me that this video has done anything to redeem Alex's image in the eyes of the public. Was this video a good idea? Judging from the discussion going on here (and elsewhere) I'd say it wasn't. He made a mistake yes but the magnitude of that mistake was huge. Whatever your personal feelings towards Alex look at what he was part of (what a lot of people were a part of) and it's impact on Vancouver's image. That we rioted not once, but twice over a silly game. All the pride that had been built during the Olympics shattered in one night. I don't hate Alex, but I don't respect him at all and as such I still haven't watched this video.

What do I want out of Alex Pro? Nothing, I don't want to be reminded of the night I felt ashamed to be Canadian.

Posted by Bryan at 11:45 PM on 12-21-2011
^^ nice post. I think your last few lines sums things up well.

Posted by andrew_r_mcintosh at 12:44 AM on 12-22-2011


Because someday I might end up riding with one of you and i'm gonna introduce myself as Andrew and your gonna be like hey, your that guy from nsmb and i'm gonna say yeah, who are you? And your gonna be like i'm richard or whatever. We'll ride all day and have a blast then we'll part ways.

Sometime in the future I might figure out that "richard" also goes by the name clownmittens or whatever and i'm really gonna get pissed off cause I gave the you beer and shuttles all day long when really I should have been dusting you out lap after lap as you pushed your bike up the hill all day by yourself.

You see, I value someone with a solid opinion who isn't afraid to stand behind it 100%. When I come visit this site and read a person named clownmittens telling alex pro to fuck off, I can't help be spit beer out my nose in laughter. Your just another internet cowered who's too afraid to stand behind their own opinion.

I'm sorry I picked on you clownmittens, your name just cracks me up, and your real name probably isn't richard, but you were acting like a dick so it seemed fitting.


Listen vancouver, the only people that are tarnishing your image are the people that won't let the riots go. I think I speak for the rest of the world when I say that nobody gives a shit, we forgot about it a long time ago.
Do you go to the bar after you've been dumped and tell every girl in the place that you just got dumped? NO, you make sure that everyone in the bar sees YOU take home the hottest piece of ass in the whole place.

So let alep pro go and let vancouver heal already.

Posted by Bob Vila at 12:57 AM on 12-22-2011
Hi my name Is Ben Drew and I strongly disagree with your opinion

Posted by walleater at 07:56 AM on 12-22-2011
I was watching a national news program last night which re-capped life in Canada throughout the year. In about half an hour Vancouver got mentioned once. Can you guess what the subject and footage shown was about? It wasn't house prices or crackheads just to narrow it down a bit....

Despite taking the piss mildly, I did enjoy reading about the new Whistler peak trail that he is / was involved in building. Personally I'm not going to watch a self promotion vid though.

Posted by GladePlayboy at 09:25 AM on 12-22-2011
Seriously Alex, you need to hire an image consultant, ditch the rednick, beer swilling 4x4 personna and get your head on straight if you want to get some credibility back. There's little wonder this film would get people riled up as this is a sensitive topic and you clearly have done little to change opinions on the matter. Time to grow up.

Posted by Unregistered123 at 09:28 AM on 12-22-2011
What melodramatic b.s.

It smells like a bunch of hypocrites in here (spare time+boredom+self righteous)

Good to see Alex back and shredding, killer vid.

Posted by stevens at 10:58 AM on 12-22-2011
Andrew, your comment has to be the best thing I have read on this thread.
I agree with you 100% that "the only people that are tarnishing (your) image are the people that won't let the riots go"
and this quote is awesome:
"Do you go to the bar after you've been dumped and tell every girl in the place that you just got dumped? NO, you make sure that everyone in the bar sees YOU take home the hottest piece of ass in the whole place"

I have no doubt that Alex knew that this edit would bring all the anonymous haters back out of whatever slimy hole they live in. But he made it anyway, because he loves riding bikes, and getting other people stoked to ride too. I have got to say I was blown away by the hate from the digital mob at the time of the riots, and I can't believe it is still going on. You are negatively affecting people's lives way more than the rioters have. And I don't hear any of you apologising.

Good on you Alex, awesome video, thanks for getting me stoked!

Posted by stephenmatthews at 11:21 AM on 12-22-2011
My favourite part is when he nails that pre hop onto the big slab on Creampuff...that's so burly. Also sending that PHD rock roll instead of rolling it is pretty insane too! This video wasn't even filmed after the Canucks lost that game, it was filmed in May/June...the video was going to come out of the editing workshop regardless.

stevens knows what's up, probably because he wasn't afraid to press play on a mountain bike video on a mountain biking site, from a dedicated and talented mountain biker.

Video was good, case closed.

Posted by HOLLYGROVE at 11:29 AM on 12-22-2011
speak for yourself goody boy

the injustices that occur 100's of times a day in vancouver dwarf anything that happened in the riot - where is your vitriolic spew? your reaction is disproportionate to the offence.

by no means does this absolve him from what he did... he lost it all, yet you still want more.

you and the rest of the hanger-on-ers in this thread are sad, sad, little men

Posted by Buster Bluth at 12:02 PM on 12-22-2011
Water polo player? Harder because it's a stupid sport. Haha. IMO.

Missy Giove? Not as hard because shipping pot isn't as bad as lighting cars on fire and rioting IMO.

Myles Rockwell? Don't know the circumstances so I won't comment.

Posted by Buster Bluth at 12:08 PM on 12-22-2011
Do you have say as to what articles are posted at NSMB? If so, then I'm suggesting you have an "inner woody woodpecker shit disturber" side. If that isn't your responsibility then I offer my sincere apologies and a reach-around.

Posted by Buster Bluth at 12:14 PM on 12-22-2011
I don't think it's unreasonable to still be ashamed and disappointed at a small segment of our population 6 months after the fact. What a bloody disgrace. I need more time before I can even think of these chumps as people.

I will say one thing though. Based on the pictures I've seen of those charged so far, it's safe to say that most of them can blame their mothers for fetal alcohol syndrome. I don't know what Alex Pro's excuse is...just a stupid, spoiled-rich-kid/redneck.

Posted by stevens at 12:29 PM on 12-22-2011
well said Dave. And yeah, Stephen, that pre-jump into the rock is burly as hell. so blind coming into it. But I already knew that the kid has balls of steel!

Posted by Bryce at 01:48 PM on 12-22-2011
it seems like the angriest people in this thread are supporters, most people are just saying that they don't care what he does.

this was definitely worth posting and discussing IMO

Posted by andrew_r_mcintosh at 02:41 PM on 12-22-2011
I was a little crabby yesterday but got to thinking about this again and wanted to add this...

First off, I watched the vid and man, what a killer flick. Alex, I would love to shred with you one day. Seriously!


To the haters, in an e-world where rep points, views and number of hits are the name of the game, the riot is almost doing him some good. If you really wanted to send the message home, you should have said nothing at all. Imagine Alex logging on here in a week to see how his vid went over and finding out that nobody even cared enough to reply, not a single view, not a single reply.

That would have send a much greater message I think.
If I were in alex's shoes, i'd use your hate to fuel my fire/comeback.

Shred on.

Posted by cam@nsmb.com at 03:29 PM on 12-22-2011
Yes I have a say and if you to take the time to read the rest of my response, my reasoning is laid out very clearly. Let me know what you think when you take the time to read it. Who knows, you may change your tune a little.

Posted by Sharon at 04:02 PM on 12-22-2011
really? because

Totally agree.

I haven't read this thread since page two and can't believe it's still going on.

Let it go people. The repercussions of Alex's actions will be experienced by him. And that's all that really matters.

Sure don't forget, but its not the end of the world. It was a good vid.

There is some book somewhere where in it says - Let He Who Is Without Sin Cast The First Stone...

Posted by Hugh_Jorgan at 04:08 PM on 12-22-2011
This "real name" enough for you folks?

Hugh, The man with the massive organ

Posted by blunt boy at 04:45 PM on 12-22-2011
So are you the Andrew Mcintosh from Kelowna(or West Jersey)? The (paid?) trail builder. If so then nice location to "hide" behind.

Seems to me that most of the people with their REAL names have something to gain in the MTB world by having their name out there. Especially the ones calling people out. The Air Apprentice, the MTB author etc. I have nothing to gain from having my name out there and I joined this site when even the Mods had e-handles.

So circle the wagons around your friend, or friends son, I'm fine with that. I'm sure the young man can use some support and it's always a good thing to get out and ride.

As a Pro MTB'er Alex is a product. As a consumer, I don't like what he represents or the image he projects to the his public, so I'm not buying what he's selling. He was supported as being a badass by other Pros for his involvement in a shameful riot and has taken no visible steps to rectify his actions, or take public resposibility for his actions. I realize that may be difficult to do with impending legal action coming his way, but if you have to stay in the shadows till the shit blows over, then stay in the shadows.

I'm pretty sure that same book has some interesting advice for women boldly speaking out in public too, so it really doesn't hold much weight in my house.

Posted by Bob Vila at 05:36 PM on 12-22-2011
You're quoting the bible as part of your argument?

You're new to the internet aren't you

Posted by pedalpower at 06:46 PM on 12-22-2011
Didn't know that the video was made pre riot, this may change my opinion a bit, however why choose to release it now?

I don't know if I will ever be able to hear the name "Alex Pro" without thinking about the night that a bunch of liqoured up hooligans decided to trash our awesome city. And I know he wasn't the only one there causing trouble, and he probably did get caught up in the "mob mentality", but like someone said earlier, let him build trails, ride his bike, whatever he wants to do, I just don't want to hear about it.

Sorry if that makes me sound bitter...

Posted by andrew_r_mcintosh at 06:56 PM on 12-22-2011
I am Andrew Mcintosh from London Ontario. Moved to kelowna (west jersey....see south park season 14, episode 9. If you've been here, you'll get the joke.) Been here 6 years.

Paid??? Are you kidding me?
I build 3-4 days a week, over 2000 hours a year.
I own 2 chainsaws that personally set me back well over 2 grand.
I go through roughly 200lbs of nails a year
I probably burn close to 500L of premium a year.
It's an average of 30+ km's of driving to build every time I go out
I help clear the trails in Oliver and Merritt every year
I'm one of 4 people currently keeping the mtn bike club here in town afloat.

My 30 year old truck is currently on blocks while I rebuild the motor mounts and replace the fuel pump by myself.
The only reason I own a truck is cause I build. If I didn't build, i'd buy an all mtn bike and never drive again.
I haven't ridden a mtn bike since september cause my frame has 5 cracks in it, my forks wore out in 5 months, and I need new wheels.
I can't afford a new bike and for the most part i'm always broke (from failed school attempts) and i'd rather build trails full time then ride shitty trails that are falling apart.

This one time a german tourist gave me $70 and beer, his way of saying thanks even though he never rode any of my work. Thats $70 more then any bc resident has ever given me. I've never been paid to do what I love doing.

I can dream though.

Posted by Sideshow at 07:18 PM on 12-22-2011
Alex has paid a pretty serious price already, and it is far from over for him.

There are so many that have done as bad or worse and remain anonymous.

It's a sweet vid, plenty of sports stars that have fallen from grace only to recover and get back on track with what they do best. In Alex's case that is riding bikes, and now building trails. Many riders will enjoy his work in the years to come.

Alex is a good guy that made a couple bonehead moves, that's all.

Posted by cam@nsmb.com at 08:58 PM on 12-22-2011
I'm not bible fearing, but occasionally there some wisdom comes from those pages.

Or do you find that sentiment problematic?

Posted by blunt boy at 09:46 PM on 12-22-2011
Ya I don't get the joke. My bad.

Paid? I truly mean it when I say you should be.

I stand by my "Use of real names as forum handles" point though.

Posted by FlipFantasia at 08:15 AM on 12-23-2011
that's hilarious that you think people use their real names only for self promotion. I've often thought about switching mine to my real name, but mostly because it forces one to be more accountable for the things they say.

Posted by stephenmatthews at 09:13 AM on 12-23-2011
It's ok, I know you. You used to work at All American Burger.

Posted by boomforeal at 10:09 AM on 12-23-2011
i thought blunt's point about the real-name handles was a good one

i also thought his point was made quite fairly and respectfully: he didn't use it to try to vilify the real-namers/tom's friends for having his back

sebkemp, stephenmatthews, sharon - all industry folks who have something to gain from establishing and maintaining a public profile (welcome, btw, stephen, seb and paul - i think there are a lot of folks here who are pretty psyched that you're adding your voices to the conversations on this forum)

we all know who you are flip, and i don't think its a stretch to say that your contributions to this site and mtb in whistler are appreciated by everyone on this forum :) my impression is that you also make a point of supporting whistler riders/builders/etc. in your posts all over the interweb - and at root i'm guessing that what stevens and stephenmatthews are doing here, too. loyalty is a commendable attribute, and i imagine the amount of time you guys spend pumping up each others' tires both contributes to and is a product of how tight the riding community in whistler is

but there's a not-so-fine line between defending your friend and taking the piss about a pretty crappy thing that happened to our home:

that's obnoxious. if someone(s) came up and trashed your home, the degree of whistlerhomerism you are displaying suggests you'd be pretty upset. but regardless, people who live in vancouver were really upset by the riot, and they're not happy about being reminded about it or someone who took part and hasn't even attempted to make symbolic reparations to the city he helped to tarnish. whether you appreciate them or not, those are real emotions and making light of them is disrespectful

quoted for awesomeness. blunt, that might just be my favorite post of the year

Posted by FlipFantasia at 11:46 AM on 12-23-2011
boom, seriously, I thinkyou've made a number of incorrect assumptions and leaps of logic about people's motivations and intentions. and you want to talk about obnoxious people trashing your town? I can't even really bring myself to enter whistler village on most weekends thanks to people who come from Vancouver and trash our town ALL THE TIME. Thugs, intimidators, people smashing our bus shelter windows, and mailboxes around the village and town. Puke everywhere, fights. We get it, and no one has said Alex doesn't deserve the repercussions of his actions.

Posted by cam@nsmb.com at 11:53 AM on 12-23-2011
One thing that isn't acknowledged in this discussion is the Fundamental Attribution Error. I touched on this in my article earlier.

This is a sort of tangential application of this concept but I think it applies here.

This is as simple as what we all do when we are driving. Someone who cuts is off is an asshole. When we are in a hurry and are perhaps less courteous on the road we use our circumstances to explain our behaviour (the Actor Observer Bias). We aren't bad people, we are simply dealing with an unusual situation in a logical manner (while everyone else thinks we are assholes).

This theory has been upheld in study after study. It's something we all do all the time.

I think it can be applied here, although there is likely a different term for it when it is used on someone other than ourselves.

In this case it seems that virtually everyone who knows Alex Pro well (I do not btw although I have met him briefly) can empathize with him. Everyone who I have heard speak of Alex, before or after the event has been extremely complimentary. He is known to be friendly, generous and generally a very solid person. You certainly don't hear this sort of thing about all pro riders either.

In light of this those who know Alex can't reconcile his behaviour in the riots with the person they know. To them this is clearly not something he would not normally do. As a result they can more easily see how the situation influenced him to act in a way he wouldn't normally. The effect a riot/mob can have on individuals is well documented and was even referenced by Shakespeare. A quick web search will reveal that this effect is powerful, rooted in our dna and well-documented. Add alcohol and all best are off. (which some of you may know makes us act in ways that we wouldn't normally - although I am not saying this takes away our personal responsibility for our actions)

If you are going to reply to this by saying this is crap and that I am an asshole - you be helping prove my theory by blaming my behaviour on my character rather than the situation before us. Of course if you know me and you say this is crap I may indeed be an asshole.

Again, I'm not condoning or trying to suggest that no amends should be made by anyone who lost themselves to these factors - but without recognizing these factors as a community we are sure to see them re-occur.

Another factor is how our behaviour changes when we think we are unidentifiable - like many are on the web! ;)

Posted by boomforeal at 12:12 PM on 12-23-2011
i'm happy to have those faulty assumptions pointed out to me flip - but us disagreeing about something does not require me to be incorrect ;)

but i do agree with you that the behaviour of a lot of tourists (and temporary workers, ime) visiting whistler from the world over is pretty shameful, and a big reason i NEVER go to the village during the winter; its an f'n circus

and if we agree on that, i have an even harder time understanding how you have made such callous comments about people's responses to the riot. i'm not a canucks fan and despite having grown up and living here, i'm honestly not that big of a vancouver fan; but this is my home, and that shit hurt(s)

Posted by Mic at 02:20 PM on 12-23-2011
The vid made me remember my times when I just grabbed my bike and went for a ride, not caring about shorts or jerseys, but just a pair of kneepads, gloves, helmet and I was good to go.

Nice edit, I really liked it.

Posted by Zedbra at 03:23 PM on 12-23-2011
this is one of the stupidest things i have read here in a while. carry on

Posted by Clowndouche at 05:29 PM on 12-23-2011
Sharon posted on NSMB using her real name because she was a NSMBA volly and later the NSMBA president a long time before she wrote the guidebook. But then the likes of you and bluntmoron would forget that in hurry and just assume that she now posts just to promote the book right?

Posted by Sideshow at 06:39 PM on 12-23-2011

Holy crap Cam, your keyboard is on fire, that is good stuff.

Posted by Zedbra at 11:47 PM on 12-23-2011
can i flip it, burn it, and you get over it in a few months. i will half ass say sorry but you and all insurance holders shall pay. for good measure i can smash all your windows wherever you live and light the neighbourhood on fire, that should make you forget quicker and we're cool.

Posted by blunt boy at 09:57 AM on 12-24-2011
Yeah I am aware of that and respect the work she did. It was still to her advantage to have her name known in the industry at that time. Point still stands. The only thing that can come from me using my real name is to get busted for posting at work.

My tongue in cheek remark about women in the bible was meant to illustrate the irony of Sharon quoting the bible and was not to suggest she should muzzle herself in any way.

Name calling clowndouche? Really?

Posted by Guest at 10:10 PM on 01-11-2012
you are all idiots, commenting on a forum when alex pro is out slaying the sea to sky corridor on his bike. get a clue people. who is the real loser. not alex.
GO RIDE YOUR BIKE

Posted by cam@nsmb.com at 09:50 AM on 01-12-2012
Were you just commenting on a forum while Alex is out slaying the sea to sky corridor?

Just asking.

Posted by Duncan at 10:04 AM on 01-12-2012
Don't know about the others, but Sharon is not an "industry person". She is a long-time (around 20 year) volunteer and NSMBA liaison with government/municipalities/business and advocate for North Shore trails and mountain biking. Just what the f*ck were you doing for the North Shore trails 20 years ago? Please post. I would be curious to know.

Can you also please give me your rationale behind why I might use my real name and you post hidiing behind an anonymous handle? Maybe its because I am prepared stand behind what I post and to take responsibility for it, and maybe you aren't.

Would be a shame if someone could do an IP address lookup now, would it?