Seb Moves to the Shore...
The Shore meets IMBA
Words by Seb Kemp.
Date: 2011-11-23
The history and legacy of trail building on the North Shore is remarkable. Arguably the North Shore trails have inspired and influenced more aspects of mountain biking than any other area in the world. The progressive nature of trails that were being built on the North Shore ten or twenty years ago had a considerable and lasting impact mountain biking trends.

Back in school and back of the class
The extreme requirements of North Shore riding influenced how bikes were designed, built and marketed. The Shore also helped redefine what it is to be a professional athlete. Racing wasn't the focus and the heroes that rose from the area were paid to portray their craft on film rather than between the tape. More so, the Shore was responsible for bringing a new style, aesthetic and attitude to mountain biking, which at the time was running away in a blur of neon Lycra on what amounted to unsealed roads, grassy hills or sandy desert highways.

Paradise on a shoe string
Although known by many for the wood stunts that define it, the Shore has always been more than just quirky, stilted balance beams. The trails of the North Shore are defined by steep descents, rocky brutality, air time and cruxes that to triumph require finesse and muscle in equal doses.
To this day the significance of these trails reverberates around the world. Products are still real-world tested on the trails and many of the professional superstars of the area continue to hold sway. Riders dream of making a pilgrimage to the North Shore to test their mettle and, trail builders around the world try to recreate something of the Shore on their home trails.

Flagging is essential so land managers can assess the area beforehand and then for workers to be able to see a physical line were the trail needs to go.
But the Shore isn’t perfect. There are continuing challenges to the sustainability of the trails here, opposition from interest groups in the local area, changing demands from land managers, and indeed, a shift in the desires of riders. With recent trail upgrades on the Shore as well as the TAP (Trail Adoption Program), Watchmen program and the Trail Building Academy, there is a positive and progressive approach to keeping the trails on the Shore alive and just as influential as at any time in their history.
Which is why the IMBA Canada Trail Care Crew were asked to visit and offer their expert advice on how to prolong the life of the trails here.

Pete Potato and Mark West making sure this rolling stone gathers no moss.
IMBA Canada was established in 2004 to help extend the work of IMBA to the vast number of trails and trail users in Canada. IMBA is a non-profit trail advocacy organization whose mission is to create, enhance, and preserve great trail experiences for mountain bikers. They do this through political lobbying, developing partnerships with land managers, assisting grassroots leadership and stewardship with local clubs, and sharing a wealth of first hand trail building knowledge.
The role of the Subaru/Trek Trail Care Crew is to drive endlessly across the country visiting clubs, Parks Canada sites, and Trans Canada Trail local, provincial and territorial groups. The main part of their role is to hold trail building courses which help educate and train people to build and maintain sustainable trails. These introductory courses typically last for one day and are split between the classroom and half day hands-on trail work. Chad and Deanne Lazaruk are the road hardened and worldly Trail Care Crew who rolled into the North Shore last weekend to help educate and guide the NSMBA and some of its members or supporters. These two have driven 88,000 KMs over the past 18 months visiting and riding more trails across Canada than most of us are even aware exist. They have seen countless miles of trail and helped scores of clubs and groups work towards trail sustainability. I doubt there are many people with half as much knowledge of trail building techniques across such a wide variety of conditions as these two.

Daniel Scott in a hole. That isn't his boot in the pile of rocks.
They were well aware of the heritage of trail building on the North Shore and they approached with a degree of apprehension. They weren’t sure about the reception hard core builders and riders would give them. Chad remarked, “you can’t believe the pressure we were under coming to the Shore.” The subtext of this was that he felt there was not much that a trail builder on Shore needs to be taught about building progressive and demanding trails. However, the Shore warmly received them because most builders and riders on the Shore would admit there needs to be a greater acceptance of sustainable building practices.

Steve Sheldon in the fading light.
24 people showed up to the IMBA Trail Building School, including such trail building luminaries as Digger and Jerry Willows. This was a good turn out considering many people were calling for it to be the last sunny Saturday till next spring. On the agenda was how to go about building sustainability into trails. There was discussion about how economic, social and environmental sustainability all have equal importance, and how planning and designing sustainability into trails starts way before a tool is even lifted. This boils down to working with land managers, obtaining permission to build trails, creating conceptual layouts or maps and flagging a line before the building commences. All this provides more opportunity for building trails that will be legitimate, accepted and environmentally sound. There must be analysis of the impact of building trails on the environment, but also on the various user groups that may be affected, and how to go about seeking a legal basis for trails rather than renegade building practices which often ignore any consideration of sustainability.
The number one rule of trail building is to keep the water off the trail and the riders on. A big part of that is knowing how to work with the terrain you have and knowing how to manipulate the trail through use of gradient. This is where terms such as the half rule (where trail grade is never more than half of the side slope), maximum grade, the average grade, grade reversals and out slope were introduced.

Rock roller before filling with gold dirt.
Within the classroom there was discussion of flow in trail design and construction. Part of which was a consideration that flow doesn’t just have to mean open, wide, smooth trails but can mean something at the other end of the spectrum. Tight, technical trails can have their own style of flow. Take Ladies Only as an example of how a trail can maintain a flow as well as being challenging. Diane offered her analogy of flow as, “The fine line between anxiety and excitement.” Mark Wood described it as, “The funny feeling I used to get on the school bus when I would have to put my text books on my lap.”
The latter half of the classroom portion was spent considering various building techniques such as benching, armoring, building technical features, creating filters, optional lines, signage and routine maintenance.
Once this knowledge had been imparted upon all the ‘students’ we geared up and hit a lower section of Dream Weaver which the NSMBA and the Trail Care Crew had decided would be a good spot to put a whole range of different trail building techniques into practice. We were trying to re-route a section which followed the fall line and was acting as a waterway. More so, multiple lines had sprung up over the years as riders attempted to dodge the worse bits.
We set to work cutting a new bench, decommissioning several old and defunct lines, building stone retaining walls for the turns, stone pitching and flag stoning a section for a newer rock rollover which would help retain the flavour of the trail. Despite the big crew the daylight slipped away from us and plans were made to visit the site the next morning to get it all finished.
The reworked section integrates natural features, greatly lessens the environmental impact and doubles as a good climbing line for walkers (we saw numerous walkers whilst working). It's also less of an eyesore while providing more fun and flow for riders. This was a great little test bed for the graduates of the Trail Building School.

View from the top. Certainly adds some excitement to the trail, especially if you really go for this.
Although the course is only short and naturally has to glance over many of the elements and teachings of trail building it was still time well spent. I took one of these courses six years ago and have helped lay many kilometres of trail in the years since and I still think it was worthwhile brushing up on a few techniques. The course also provided an opportunity for a three way dialogue between IMBA representatives, trail users and local trail builders. The North Shore is a demanding place to build trails which explains the aggressive, technical building approach. There is a considerable need to preserve the character of the North Shore when upgrading trails, but this can be done by combining the broader guidelines of the textbook with the real world knowledge gained spending time on the bike and on the shovel.
As Chad and Deanne observed, trail building is a skill that requires the builder to have many different techniques and knowledge at his or her disposal. The art is knowing which tool to use and when. Working beside highly experienced trail builders like Chad and Deanne, as well as Daniel Scott (globally recognized professional trail builder) who joined us, is inspiring and humbling because it goes to show how much of a craft it is to build trails correctly. With things like this visit from the Trail Care Crew and future plans of the NSMBA the trail riding experience of the Shore will be enhanced and sustained for many more years to come. Thanks to Chad and Deanne, IMBA, all the NSMBA board members and all those who attended the course.

The Magic Ball never lies. This is an essential tool for seeing were the water will flow.
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While sustainable trail building is laudible, unfortunately it has removed much of the challenge of the Shore. Look at Fromme now, totally dumbed down. You could do a good chunk of it now on a cyclocross bike. Unfortunately by promoting low grade trails, you will never see classics like GMG again. Everything is slowly morphing into cobbled low angle trails. Kind of like riding Park City. Great the first few times, but after a while you start to wonder which trail you are on because they all ride exactly the same. I'll stick with Cypress. Hopefully NSMBA leaves it alone.
More work on the trails is always a good thing, but things are just getting too manicured. Look at Fromme these days. Not much of a challenge. This push for environmentally sound trails is unfortunately killing the challenge of the Shore. How much environmental damage are we doing when you compare our impact to what is going on with construction on Cypress these days, homes that have been built in recent years on lower Fromme, and a golf course at the base of Cypress. Several hundred fall line unmaintained trails would not come close to the impact of any of these recent developments. This whole enviro boogeyman is a joke. These mountains have all been clear cut logged several times and survived it. Leave a trail unridden for a few years and good luck trying to find it. Anyone remember 12 Bridges on Cypress? Unfortunately many local riders have bought into this whole line promoted by the local hikers who have successfully conned us into voluntarily closing many of our trails. Fromme now has half the number of trails we had a few years ago.
Trail maintenance threads always brings out the trolls.
Shorester: Try coming out to a trail day or clinic like this, you will learn a lot. I'm guessing that you haven't actually been riding for all that long. People need to learn that sustainability is not catering to the environmental 'boogeyman' as you said, it's creating a trail that will simultaneously satisfy the land owner, the majority of the user group, whilst being in a state that allows for continued maintenance.
Most shore trails are fall line, and because of that, they have become hot spots for water run off. No one likes riding through puddles, and it's amazingly bad for the trails. A little maintenance can bring the trail back to how it used to be, and then improve on it to fix drainage issues. Do not confuse this repair and maintenance of trails with 'dumbing down the shore'. People have got used to riding heavily eroded trails, and think that it is the normal state for them, which is completely wrong.
Environmentalism is only a very small part of what IMBA and other trail advocacy/maintenance groups are pushing. Sustainability is a much more important issue, as it covers so much more than just the enviro issue. Of course (shorester), you would know all this if you had come to the IMBA clinic on Saturday.
Furthermore, I was really happy to see some new faces at the clinic. For too long, it's been the same ten to twenty people who seem to be doing all the work on the shore. When you look at the ratio of builders/maintainers to riders, it's an incredibly small ratio. Everyone who uses the trails should get involved, even if it's just pulling deadfall off a trail or kicking out debris from a culvert to allow better drainage, the cumulative effect of this will help the trails endlessly.
i was really disappointed to not make this clinic, hopefully next time
Well said Steve!
I have been riding since I moved to Canada, and I have been going to the nsmba trail days since I have been riding. I've also been involved in the TAP this past year with the Muddbunnies. Having the opportunity to go to something like this and increase my learning and skills was fantastic.
Shorester: there is a very simple rule.
Their land:Their Rules, Your Land: Your Rules
So if you're after beat-up, unsustainable trails, go buy a piece of land and build (and ride) what the hell you want.
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Originally Posted by shorester
(Post 2591858)
This push for environmentally sound trails is unfortunately killing the challenge of the Shore.
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Great article Seb. Love your writing style.
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Originally Posted by Guest
(Post 2591851)
While sustainable trail building is laudible, unfortunately it has removed much of the challenge of the Shore. Look at Fromme now, totally dumbed down. You could do a good chunk of it now on a cyclocross bike. Unfortunately by promoting low grade trails, you will never see classics like GMG again. Everything is slowly morphing into cobbled low angle trails. Kind of like riding Park City. Great the first few times, but after a while you start to wonder which trail you are on because they all ride exactly the same. I'll stick with Cypress. Hopefully NSMBA leaves it alone.
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Did you ride Ladies back when it was new? It's more like that now than it has been for years. Pipeline is harder now than when it was new.I remember when 7th was loamy. Again - it's more like the original trail experience now instead of the paved, cobbled mess it was until recently.
And those are the most popular options. There are many trails that are the beaten down mess you seem to prefer. How about Expresso? Grannies used to have a lot more flow than it does now.
Clearly Bobsled is a new trail experience but that is an addition to the network not a subtraction.
And if you lament the decay of GMG grab a shovel and a hammer and give 'er. It's still there.
Cypress is an unsustainable mess for the most part. There are exceptions but most of the 'building' that has been going on there is the sort that lasts a year or less in good shape and then becomes a trench. A recent rebuild of an old trail there was pretty good when it was first finished and it's already trashed. That sort of trail work is short sighted and in the end detrimental to mountain biking as a whole. Still - it's nice for a few weeks. It's a bit like clear cutting so you can see the ocean on a sunny day. When the rain returns you are going to get wet.
If you can't find challenge on Fromme you aren't going fast enough. Or grab a hardtail instead of a dh bike - which is a returning trend on Fromme for some reason
I've ridden plenty of old school eroded tech gnar on fromme recently, and the newer stuff which is amazing, people who bitch about maintenance as dumbing down the shore make me laugh, in a sad kinda way.
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Originally Posted by Guest
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Look at Fromme now, totally dumbed down. You could do a good chunk of it now on a cyclocross bike. Unfortunately by promoting low grade trails, you will never see classics like GMG again. Everything is slowly morphing into cobbled low angle trails.
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Originally Posted by shorester
(Post 2591858)
This push for environmentally sound trails is unfortunately killing the challenge of the Shore.
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I believe the last line of the last post said it best with the advent of 6-8 inch travel bike they seem to smothout every little- big bump in the trail. Try a hard tail to get you back to the past if you feel the trails to buffed for your ridding. Be thankful for the handful of people that are keeping our trials open ,it was only a few years ago a certain N.V. conslar wanted the whole area shut down to mountain bike.Be thankful for all these groups that keep our trails open and maintained,I do.
if you think the shore is getting dumbed down, you don't know your way around.
i could point you to unfathomable gnar... but i won't.
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Originally Posted by shorester
(Post 2591858)
More work on the trails is always a good thing, but things are just getting too manicured. Look at Fromme these days. Not much of a challenge. This push for environmentally sound trails is unfortunately killing the challenge of the Shore. How much environmental damage are we doing when you compare our impact to what is going on with construction on Cypress these days, homes that have been built in recent years on lower Fromme, and a golf course at the base of Cypress. Several hundred fall line unmaintained trails would not come close to the impact of any of these recent developments. This whole enviro boogeyman is a joke. These mountains have all been clear cut logged several times and survived it. Leave a trail unridden for a few years and good luck trying to find it. Anyone remember 12 Bridges on Cypress? Unfortunately many local riders have bought into this whole line promoted by the local hikers who have successfully conned us into voluntarily closing many of our trails. Fromme now has half the number of trails we had a few years ago.
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Sustainability is about more than environmental impact. You have set up a false dichotomy. We aren't comparing clear cutting for houses with trail building. We can do very little about development on land that we don't own. Still - were you at the public hearings for Rodgers Creek? That's one way we can have some influence.
Sustainability is also about trails that last so other users can enjoy them. And so they can be there for years. See my comments above about Cypress. The example of 12 bridges doesn't apply to trails in steeper, higher traffic areas. 12 bridges wasn't on the shuttle route and the land in there, for the most part, is less steep than other zones further west. When it was abandoned there was still loam on it. Once you get down past the bottom of the loam on a trail the trench becomes a creek. Have a look at some of the pitches on fifth horseman for example. Or even Coiler despite the 'rebuild'.
Once a trail becomes so trashed that it's unrepairable you can't build another trail there without a massive effort. Land is a scarce resource for mountain bikers - and it's already crowded up there. If you build a challenging but sustainable trail that lasts you'll have more trails to ride. Isn't that the object? Not only that, land managers looking at some of the mess up on Cypress aren't likely to have much sympathy for the loss of trails. Braids, trenches and washed out sections you could drive a truck through could spell the end of our access and of the support we see from some landowners now.
Which trails are you talking about on Fromme that are no longer challenging? This is the sort of opinion that's popular but uninformed. Grannies, Bookwus, Expresso? Groovula? How about the lower trails? I don't think so. Not fun? Maybe for some but calling those not challenging is simply untrue. Bitches Brew is pretty much gone - which was a District decision - as well as Watchumacallit. GMG hasn't been worked on for years but that has nothing to do with the nsmbA or the District. Ditto Walk in the Clouds and Circus. Upper Oilcan is more challenging than it was before Peter got to it. The trails that people seem to think of as dumbed down still have their crux moves - and the trail between them was smooth when they were first built. People who think Ladies is dumbed down didn't know it when it was built or they have forgotten. Another thing to consider is that when many of those trails were first built there was no suspension.
I can think of a handful of lines where a ladder bridge or some other technique has made a section flow and removed some gnarl - but there are others that are more challenging than they once were - or where the original line still exists.
If you'd like to have more influence on trail building come on out to a trail day. We're having one on Dumbed Down Dale's on this Sunday Nov. 27th. Meet us at 8:30 in front of Different Bikes. Or feel free to email me and I'll give you a tour of Fromme.
I'm really looking forward to the Trail Crew coming to Campbell River this weekend. Sustainability must be the most important thought behind any trail in this day and age.
A couple of weekends ago I spent morning just draining puddles, and creating cross ditches. Water is our worst enemy and small fixes can add months or more of trail wear.
Nice work and its always good to see some lovin' going into the trials.
To reiterate what Cam and Jerry said, when most of these trails came to be, there were not difficult eroded chunder. We also rode them on hard tails that might have had front suspension and did have v-brakes. It was the bikes then that made these trails challenging.
Once they become eroded, they got more challenging. Thank god for the crutch of suspension and disc brakes. Now they're getting 'fixed' again and brought back to their original form.
The whole thing about 'sustainability' really comes down to - how often do you want to go in and fix a braid because a section become too eroded that people rode around it?
If we can't manage the current network, how can we expect new stuff?
As for GMG and other trails that require structures to ride, that too is a maintenance issue. With the 10 year attention span of most builders once the structure goes into disrepair and the proverbial "THEY" don't fix it, well then the trail will change.
Also, there are a lot of trails around that haven't changed much in the last 10 years. Most of the new school riders don't like them since they have 'no flow' .
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Originally Posted by shorester
(Post 2591858)
More work on the trails is always a good thing, but things are just getting too manicured. Look at Fromme these days. Not much of a challenge. This push for environmentally sound trails is unfortunately killing the challenge of the Shore. How much environmental damage are we doing when you compare our impact to what is going on with construction on Cypress these days, homes that have been built in recent years on lower Fromme, and a golf course at the base of Cypress. Several hundred fall line unmaintained trails would not come close to the impact of any of these recent developments. This whole enviro boogeyman is a joke. These mountains have all been clear cut logged several times and survived it. Leave a trail unridden for a few years and good luck trying to find it. Anyone remember 12 Bridges on Cypress? Unfortunately many local riders have bought into this whole line promoted by the local hikers who have successfully conned us into voluntarily closing many of our trails. Fromme now has half the number of trails we had a few years ago.
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In some ways I sympathize because there are trail experiences we have lost on the Shore that I miss as well, but evolution is inevitable. If I could have my own private, loamy fall line trail, that was sustainable because only a handful of riders rode it (and rode it well without dragging the rear tire gratuitously), I would be a very happy camper. In this age of interconnectedness that's no longer possible.
The old codes no longer apply and riders talk openly about secret trails that cannot sustain heavy traffic. It used to be that if you thought someone was worthy of a trail you would take them there rather than tell them the location (clearly this is a somewhat elitist attitude, but out of necessity). In this way the word spread organically rather than exponentially. And no group, shop or other organized rides would have ridden those sensitive lines.
Riders also ride in and expose entrances despite the efforts of builders to conceal them. Is it really that hard to pick up your bike and carry it for 30 feet? You are a mountain biker after all - you shouldn't be lazy. And how about taking five minutes to conceal an entrance if that is necessary?
If you aren't part of the solution you are part of the problem.
The difference between the super sweet gnarly classic GMG, versus ladies and bobsled is you can ride bobsled and ladies and enjoy them. I assure you, you can have GMG all to yourself, and no one's dumbed it down for you! You can have jerryrig and starfish too! I mean no one's ridden them in years, most of the structures would collapse and maim you if you rode them, there essentially creeks, but considering your such much gnarlier then the rest of us OG creeks with rickety skinnys is hardcore.
What's the trail featured in the trail building shots? In particular, the filled-in rock roller as viewed from the top. Awesome work.
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Originally Posted by biggles604
(Post 2591872)
Furthermore, I was really happy to see some new faces at the clinic. For too long, it's been the same ten to twenty people who seem to be doing all the work on the shore.
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mmmmmhhh...GMG. <3
I had the pleasure of meeting and riding with the IMBA trail crew when they were in Castlegar in early November. They definitely educated me on proper sustainable building.... You can still have your gnarly, challenging trails while building in longevity and easy maintenance. They aren't mutually exclusive anymore. The trend toward "proper" building has definitely tipped in the right direction.
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Originally Posted by GladePlayboy
(Post 2591984)
I had the pleasure of meeting and riding with the IMBA trail crew when they were in Castlegar in early November. They definitely educated me on proper sustainable building.... You can still have your gnarly, challenging trails while building in longevity and easy maintenance. They aren't mutually exclusive anymore. The trend toward "proper" building has definitely tipped in the right direction.
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To the IMBA Trail Crew, thanks so much for coming to the Shore! Please come back soon!
Sustainability is a buzzword to the rest of the world, but to us it means something different. Anybody who disagrees with the current trend toward building trails that will require less maintenance has clearly not been putting the tools to the dirt on high-traffic trails.
Thanks to all who put their efforts in this year, whether through the NSMBA, TAP, or just by doing spot maintenance on your rides. Including TAP, the NSMBA oversaw 46 trail days in 2011, which is a landmark for involvement and for our trail network.
Wow, what a wonderfully vibrant and decent conversation everyone is having here.
I'd just like to add (and it did say this in the above article) that sustainability isn't just about the physical construction of the trails. It also means sustainability in regards to whether land owners agree to them, whether trails cause a danger to users or other land users, do they need upkeep and if so who will do it and pay for it, if they are built on land that is environmentally fragile or whether they give the NIMBY naysayers more ammunition to go to council with in an attempt to see all biking removed from the Shore. Generally it's about external threats that could have trails closed down.
It's the bigger picture that needs looking at if you are to retain the riding privileges that you have enjoyed for so long here on the Shore. I have just moved here and I see a great community of bikers with outstanding trail capital and I'd like to keep riding here for a long time to come.
Fromme must be being dumbed down because I left in my own vehicle last time (instead of an ambulance.)
I can see it now, next year's bike release announcements will be emphasizing the vintage feel of the bikes, just like the good old days. Can we begin discussions of Chromoly frames versus aluminum?
Fromme is a truly spectacular mountain. I can't offer enough praise for those who dedicate themselves to the trails.
Where's Shorester to defend him/herself? I just made some popcorn and want to see his/her rebuttal!
To whoever it was who commented first on this thread, please please can I be there when you go out to ride "a good chunk" of fromme on a cyclocross bike? I can only assume you are Danny Hart if you can't find enough gnar on the shore to fulfill your needs. I, and some of the best riders I know, have had our arses handed to us on the shore. And like the others said, if it ain't gnarly enough for you, you can always go faster. Although if you're Danny Hart, maybe you can't.
How 'bout Frommoly! I'd race that! Hah. Great discussions... All Hail the Kings/Queens of Mount Bike!
Great back and forth debate, clearly shorester/guest was pulling tail feathers, got some valid responses. Long time (and new) shore riders are by nature, I think rebellious, risk takers. We want the trails to live up to the "north shore" rep. The trails are suppost to scare us and push us to become better as riders. That's the greatness of this area.
My point is, we the voting public want more gnarrrrll on fromme.
More gnarllll everywhere!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's what this place is about,..... in my opinion.
Just try to disagree with me on that.
I'm sorry I could not attend the session, sounds like a damn interesting and informative course. A big thanks must go out to the IMBA for this kind of initiative.
Not sure why there is such a hate on for rock work, these days. Reminds me of the "Hi I'm a Mac and I'm a PC" ads. As I have commented a few times before, with the steeper grades on Fromme, I'm not sure how sustainable a dirt trail bed really is. I'm guessing looking at the grade of the rock roller mentioned in the article and the amount of traffic that particular trail gets, there wont be too much dirt on it soon. Once it wears down to the rock it will become one hell of a lot more sustainable.
Gotta ask what those light blue hoop things were in the 7th image; hose?
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Originally Posted by Woodro
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"First of all, what trails have we changed the grade on? |
:D
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Originally Posted by Guest
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i could point you to unfathomable gnar... but i won't. |
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Originally Posted by walleater
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Well yeah, that's the point really. Unfortunately mere mortals like me who can't ride Di** D*g***r on a cyclocross recumberant still need to ride our ATBs. Sure there's loads of 'other' trails on the Shore but they are not built for mass consumption. As you know all the off the map trails, why not just ride them and stop bitching about the other ones? That way, the hidden trails stay hidden and won't get trashed in a week (the one I hinted at is still alive after around 15 years, although the only time I tried to ride it I went most of the way down on my face.....Open it up and it'll be dead in a week.), and there are still plenty of trails for all. Win / win.
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Ian I helped with the work that was done and the dirt you see on this rock is'nt thick its just used to mortar all the rock. All work was done really well and there was no hate on for rock at all infact there was a lot of rock used in this build day. The blue thing you see there is a 3 man rock sling that was home made with hose for handles it was unreal we were able to carry huge rocks safely!
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Originally Posted by Knnn
(Post 2592508)
I'm sorry I could not attend the session, sounds like a damn interesting and informative course. A big thanks must go out to the IMBA for this kind of initiative.
Not sure why there is such a hate on for rock work, these days. Reminds me of the "Hi I'm a Mac and I'm a PC" ads. As I have commented a few times before, with the steeper grades on Fromme, I'm not sure how sustainable a dirt trail bed really is. I'm guessing looking at the grade of the rock roller mentioned in the article and the amount of traffic that particular trail gets, there wont be too much dirt on it soon. Once it wears down to the rock it will become one hell of a lot more sustainable. Gotta ask what those light blue hoop things were in the 7th image; hose? |
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Originally Posted by Ship-it-fed-ex
(Post 2592573)
Ian I helped with the work that was done and the dirt you see on this rock is'nt thick its just used to mortar all the rock. All work was done really well and there was no hate on for rock at all infact there was a lot of rock used in this build day. The blue thing you see there is a 3 man rock sling that was home made with hose for handles it was unreal we were able to carry huge rocks safely!
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Nice. Have you seen the rock carrier Rob made? You ca get 3-5 guys around it and yup carry some big scary ass rocks.
Had the pleasure of going to the Campbell River trail day today. I've been around trails for years, but learned more in this day than I've known before. Picked up both the IMBA books, and am looking forward to putting my new skills to work.
We headed out in the afternoon and did a complete re-route of a section of Dean Martin near Snowden Forest. So much more flow by removing a deep down and up section of trail through a gulley.
On a side note, Mountain Biking as a user group has gained a lot of value in the eyes of Parks Canada. The survey that was put forward last year about riding in parks had over 4500 submitted surveys. They expected 300...
I think with more work by IMBA Canada and continued user group interaction and work to provide sustainable trails, the future looks bright for the broad trail networks across Canada.
Can't wait to ride the reroute!
Its nice to hear that there was a positive impact from imba's visit this time. I for one am very glad to hear theres new blood running the program. Donaldson ropes on the shore makes amazing rock carriers of any size(custom) if anyone wants one?
Keep that IMBA couple on your side of the boarder.....they got run out of Alberta last month and gladly so....
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