Vid - How to Drop
Roll or 'Fly' off a Drop
Date: 2011-11-14
I'm not sure there was anything that was insightful or all that helpful in this video. So if you've got some actual tips (beyond lean back, pull up etc.) please share them with us below.
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Posted by Leon at 02:43 AM on 11-15-2011
Pull hard on the front brake as you reach the peak of the drop push all your weight forwards as you go over ?
But on a serious note what more is there to say then the usual lean back etc tec ?
Pull hard on the front brake as you reach the peak of the drop push all your weight forwards as you go over ?
But on a serious note what more is there to say then the usual lean back etc tec ?
Posted by FlipFantasia at 07:00 AM on 11-15-2011
you should ask seb what he thinks of that vid...
you should ask seb what he thinks of that vid...
Posted by Endless Biking at 08:02 AM on 11-15-2011
As a professional instructor, the last thing I would ever teach a client when dropping is to: "go fast, lean back & pull up".
This is a recipe for disaster and doesn't teach anyone actually 'how' to do it.
With all due respect, this vid series is a fine example that pro riders aren't always great instructors.
Invest in a lesson with a professional Instructor and you'll be able to do drops with confidence.
DB@EB
As a professional instructor, the last thing I would ever teach a client when dropping is to: "go fast, lean back & pull up".
This is a recipe for disaster and doesn't teach anyone actually 'how' to do it.
With all due respect, this vid series is a fine example that pro riders aren't always great instructors.
Invest in a lesson with a professional Instructor and you'll be able to do drops with confidence.
DB@EB
Posted by GladePlayboy at 08:27 AM on 11-15-2011
I remember learning by trial and error, more by error actually. Many, many crashes and trips to ER later I would say that pro instruction is the way to go. This video is not pro instruction.
I remember learning by trial and error, more by error actually. Many, many crashes and trips to ER later I would say that pro instruction is the way to go. This video is not pro instruction.
Posted by clown at 08:52 AM on 11-15-2011
My 3 step program for drops is as follows:
I call it the Three C's of hitting a drop:
1) Commitment
2) Commitment
3) Commitment
My 3 step program for drops is as follows:
I call it the Three C's of hitting a drop:
1) Commitment
2) Commitment
3) Commitment
Posted by j4ka at 10:05 AM on 11-15-2011
ok, so the technique shown is fine, but explained in such a way that if someone with no previous experience would try this, his/her attempt is bound to end in tears. A for effort? F for failing.
ok, so the technique shown is fine, but explained in such a way that if someone with no previous experience would try this, his/her attempt is bound to end in tears. A for effort? F for failing.
Posted by cam@nsmb.com at 10:06 AM on 11-15-2011
I think the best way to drop - especially if you aren't maching - is to push your front wheel forward like you are doing a manual. Compress the fork and then push down and forward in an arc. That way your front wheel is unweighted when it leaves the ground and your rear wheel is still in contact.
If you tell someone who doesn't know what they are doing to lean back the results aren't likely to be pretty. And really how do you lean when you are going in a straight line and holding on to the bars? Leaning implies a gradual transfer of weight when you need a certain amount of dynamism to accomplish a drop.
DB - Am I on the right track here?
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Originally Posted by Leon
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Pull hard on the front brake as you reach the peak of the drop push all your weight forwards as you go over ?
But on a serious note what more is there to say then the usual lean back etc tec ? |
If you tell someone who doesn't know what they are doing to lean back the results aren't likely to be pretty. And really how do you lean when you are going in a straight line and holding on to the bars? Leaning implies a gradual transfer of weight when you need a certain amount of dynamism to accomplish a drop.
DB - Am I on the right track here?
Posted by morgman at 11:00 AM on 11-15-2011
I agree with treating it like a manual. His suggestion to try it off curbs is good for the beginner, and something they can practice pretty much anywhere. But saying to "lean back" and then showing a video of a guy riding with a ton of weight on his front wheel doesn't compute for me. Leaning back looks like this:
http://www.nsmb.com/assets/images/20...=430&width=700
I agree with treating it like a manual. His suggestion to try it off curbs is good for the beginner, and something they can practice pretty much anywhere. But saying to "lean back" and then showing a video of a guy riding with a ton of weight on his front wheel doesn't compute for me. Leaning back looks like this:
http://www.nsmb.com/assets/images/20...=430&width=700
Posted by Johnny Laroux at 01:51 PM on 11-15-2011
What DB@EB said...a proper lesson definitely helped an old beginner like me! But as Clown said, commitment is sometimes the hardest part.
What DB@EB said...a proper lesson definitely helped an old beginner like me! But as Clown said, commitment is sometimes the hardest part.
Posted by chubby5000 at 04:45 PM on 11-15-2011
I was hoping they would finish it off by saying (a la Danny MacAskill) to step it up a notch. And then show this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_xCF2lx0_YU#t=29 s
I was hoping they would finish it off by saying (a la Danny MacAskill) to step it up a notch. And then show this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_xCF2lx0_YU#t=29 s
Posted by DarylMac at 06:11 PM on 11-15-2011
What they do in the vid is almost the exact opposite of what they say to do.
I agree with the posters here - I tend to compress or push into the front of the bike prior to unweighting it.
What they do in the vid is almost the exact opposite of what they say to do.
I agree with the posters here - I tend to compress or push into the front of the bike prior to unweighting it.
Posted by Guest at 06:47 PM on 11-15-2011
Hitting a roller with that instruction will get you in trouble. Drops and rollers are way different. Why try and confuse the two. Do one or the other.
How about a segment on spining drops, 180s & 360s. That is once you give a decent segment on how to do a drop, and may be one on rollers.
Hitting a roller with that instruction will get you in trouble. Drops and rollers are way different. Why try and confuse the two. Do one or the other.
How about a segment on spining drops, 180s & 360s. That is once you give a decent segment on how to do a drop, and may be one on rollers.
Posted by leggatt at 06:52 PM on 11-15-2011
I am in agreement with the other posters here. The video was pretty terrible for actual instruction on the mechanics. If a person can't handle a manual and get the foot position right, they will end up ass over tea kettle on a drop.
Going fast and leaning back is only part of the recipe.
I am in agreement with the other posters here. The video was pretty terrible for actual instruction on the mechanics. If a person can't handle a manual and get the foot position right, they will end up ass over tea kettle on a drop.
Going fast and leaning back is only part of the recipe.
Posted by Endless Biking at 08:59 PM on 11-15-2011
Couple of things... Lots of people talking about using arms, what about your legs? Legs are much stronger and a great way to control the bike as well as the arms... Use them together!
If rider weighs 180 lbs and bike weighs 30 lbs, which is more efficient to be moving around all day? hmmmm... Think about it. ;)
Rolling Drops:
When at the top of drop you want to roll, rider should be:
-low on the bike, think 'ready' or 'attack' like positioning. Balanced.
-extend arms and legs to place front wheel on spot/line of choice.
- (Rider is now in a balanced descending position, snap a photo, without 'leaning back'...) Maintain positioning for long rock face roll.
-absorb wheel placement with arms and rear wheel with legs, returning to a balanced position.
Airing a Drop
Approaching at a moderate speed (jogging pace):
-'Load/Compress' down into bike with legs & arms, just before drop (this will help un-weight your bike when you drop and promote positive traction between feet/pedals)
-'Poke' the bike out in front of you (using legs and arms) to get bike off of drop and into the air. (Or extend arms and legs downwards to place bike and roll with speed...)
-'return' to a balanced position by pulling bike back under you to absorb landing with arms and legs evenly.
Note: The slower you go when you air a drop, the more 'load' & 'poke' is required. With more speed this compression becomes very subtle as does the poke as the bike has speed to stay under you.
I hope the info helps!
DB@EB
Couple of things... Lots of people talking about using arms, what about your legs? Legs are much stronger and a great way to control the bike as well as the arms... Use them together!
If rider weighs 180 lbs and bike weighs 30 lbs, which is more efficient to be moving around all day? hmmmm... Think about it. ;)
Rolling Drops:
When at the top of drop you want to roll, rider should be:
-low on the bike, think 'ready' or 'attack' like positioning. Balanced.
-extend arms and legs to place front wheel on spot/line of choice.
- (Rider is now in a balanced descending position, snap a photo, without 'leaning back'...) Maintain positioning for long rock face roll.
-absorb wheel placement with arms and rear wheel with legs, returning to a balanced position.
Airing a Drop
Approaching at a moderate speed (jogging pace):
-'Load/Compress' down into bike with legs & arms, just before drop (this will help un-weight your bike when you drop and promote positive traction between feet/pedals)
-'Poke' the bike out in front of you (using legs and arms) to get bike off of drop and into the air. (Or extend arms and legs downwards to place bike and roll with speed...)
-'return' to a balanced position by pulling bike back under you to absorb landing with arms and legs evenly.
Note: The slower you go when you air a drop, the more 'load' & 'poke' is required. With more speed this compression becomes very subtle as does the poke as the bike has speed to stay under you.
I hope the info helps!
DB@EB
Posted by Endless Biking at 10:36 AM on 11-16-2011
Seb Kemp just contributed a nice little number to the internet on this....
http://2flat.wordpress.com/2011/11/16/how-not-to/
DB@EB
Seb Kemp just contributed a nice little number to the internet on this....
http://2flat.wordpress.com/2011/11/16/how-not-to/
DB@EB
Posted by morgman at 10:41 AM on 11-16-2011
That's long and I'm going to read it today.
Glad this discussion is continuing!
That's long and I'm going to read it today.
Glad this discussion is continuing!
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