vid - Steve Peat Teaches Manual
With Blake Samson
Date: 2011-10-31
Now I get it! It's going to be easy now! Some good tips in there for sure. Do you have any secrets to share? Reveal them below.
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Posted by MikeO at 11:40 PM on 10-31-2011
I think I've got it.
1) Pedal.
2) Pull up.
3) Manual endlessly.
4) Profit.
Sweet.
I think I've got it.
1) Pedal.
2) Pull up.
3) Manual endlessly.
4) Profit.
Sweet.
Posted by IFO at 07:59 AM on 11-01-2011
im not embaressed to say this is one skill i NEVER managed to pick up..
ive tried for donkeys years on various bikes , including HT's that were easy to manual on apparently..
i just can never get it ..
i either fall over , loop out, or usualy just end up wheeling for a couple of pedal strokes..
i am teh suk.
im not embaressed to say this is one skill i NEVER managed to pick up..
ive tried for donkeys years on various bikes , including HT's that were easy to manual on apparently..
i just can never get it ..
i either fall over , loop out, or usualy just end up wheeling for a couple of pedal strokes..
i am teh suk.
Posted by 4Runner1 at 08:15 AM on 11-01-2011
I feel your pain. I have been trying this for years. I can do it...in dreams. Then, I wake up.
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Originally Posted by IFO
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im not embaressed to say this is one skill i NEVER managed to pick up..
ive tried for donkeys years on various bikes , including HT's that were easy to manual on apparently.. i just can never get it .. i either fall over , loop out, or usualy just end up wheeling for a couple of pedal strokes.. i am teh suk. |
Posted by cam@nsmb.com at 09:37 AM on 11-01-2011
I have had some limited success at manualliing. Or I did have years ago when I spent some time on it.
One breakthrough moment for me was when I choked up on the rear brake lever. Feathering when you are holding the end of the lever is tough but if you grab the lever further inboard, reducing leverage, you can keep yourself from looping out without slamming your front wheel down.
I have a buddy who can do it Bobby Root style - standing straight up with hips almost on the stem. It looks cool (sort of) but it's got no practical use on the trail.
I have had some limited success at manualliing. Or I did have years ago when I spent some time on it.
One breakthrough moment for me was when I choked up on the rear brake lever. Feathering when you are holding the end of the lever is tough but if you grab the lever further inboard, reducing leverage, you can keep yourself from looping out without slamming your front wheel down.
I have a buddy who can do it Bobby Root style - standing straight up with hips almost on the stem. It looks cool (sort of) but it's got no practical use on the trail.
Posted by Endless Biking at 10:01 AM on 11-01-2011
Thanks for vid!
Couple of extra tips to help, one big one they missed in the setup.
1) Gear selection. It does matter, even though it is not a pedaling wheel lift. You want to be in middle ring and 5-7 down in rear cassette (like a dirt jumping gear). This will give you a nice and stable pedal platform to work with. If you are in too easy of a gear, your cranks can move around a bit too easily and off-set our balance.
2) Try 'pre-applying/dragging' your rear brake before the front wheel comes up. It will require a bit more effort to get front wheel up but it will give you better control of the brake and more confidence, rather than trying to catch the perfect spot in your brake as your looping out backwards, often slamming your front end down.
3) Try pushing bike forward with your legs/feet, rather than pulling entirely with your arms. As Peaty says, when manualling the roller, pushing down through your hips & legs will push the bike forward and front wheel up. You can actually accelerate through rollers like this ala pumping. Simply relax/bent your legs to return (or use back brake for emergency), the upside of the next roller will slow your rear wheel and help bring it down naturally.
Your legs are much stronger than your arms, they're also in the middle of your bike, so much more effective and efficient for us to use. Spread the love out, give your arms a break!
I hope the info helps! Just adding some additional perspective to helps those who chimed in already, who are having some trouble with this skill.
Manualling is a very fun but also very rewarding skill, used in countless variations once you have it in your tool belt.
Go practice! It's worth it!
DB@EB
Thanks for vid!
Couple of extra tips to help, one big one they missed in the setup.
1) Gear selection. It does matter, even though it is not a pedaling wheel lift. You want to be in middle ring and 5-7 down in rear cassette (like a dirt jumping gear). This will give you a nice and stable pedal platform to work with. If you are in too easy of a gear, your cranks can move around a bit too easily and off-set our balance.
2) Try 'pre-applying/dragging' your rear brake before the front wheel comes up. It will require a bit more effort to get front wheel up but it will give you better control of the brake and more confidence, rather than trying to catch the perfect spot in your brake as your looping out backwards, often slamming your front end down.
3) Try pushing bike forward with your legs/feet, rather than pulling entirely with your arms. As Peaty says, when manualling the roller, pushing down through your hips & legs will push the bike forward and front wheel up. You can actually accelerate through rollers like this ala pumping. Simply relax/bent your legs to return (or use back brake for emergency), the upside of the next roller will slow your rear wheel and help bring it down naturally.
Your legs are much stronger than your arms, they're also in the middle of your bike, so much more effective and efficient for us to use. Spread the love out, give your arms a break!
I hope the info helps! Just adding some additional perspective to helps those who chimed in already, who are having some trouble with this skill.
Manualling is a very fun but also very rewarding skill, used in countless variations once you have it in your tool belt.
Go practice! It's worth it!
DB@EB
Posted by syngltrkmnd at 10:14 AM on 11-01-2011
Nice tips, Endless. I think (3) is vital to the success of the manual. It can't be overstated that if you have the wheelie figured out, manuals will be a lot easier.
Cam's entry reminds me that I once busted out one of those stand-up manuals outta nowhere. Finishing a trail ride and was coasting down to the car with the guys, and while manualing at a pretty high speed, I felt like I was about to loop out. Instead, I just sorta stood up and went with it. My friends were all "whaaaaaa? you've never done that before!" and before kinda busting balls for such a circus move, we all kinda reveled in the moment.
Nice tips, Endless. I think (3) is vital to the success of the manual. It can't be overstated that if you have the wheelie figured out, manuals will be a lot easier.
Cam's entry reminds me that I once busted out one of those stand-up manuals outta nowhere. Finishing a trail ride and was coasting down to the car with the guys, and while manualing at a pretty high speed, I felt like I was about to loop out. Instead, I just sorta stood up and went with it. My friends were all "whaaaaaa? you've never done that before!" and before kinda busting balls for such a circus move, we all kinda reveled in the moment.
Posted by onepunch at 04:42 PM on 11-01-2011
Thanks for a much more detailed execution DB
Thanks for a much more detailed execution DB
Posted by lapointe at 04:57 PM on 11-01-2011
My suggestion would be to acquire a BMX , head to your local track and practice,practice,practice,practice,practice....yo u get the idea. Not only will you have a great time, you will learn so much more than just manualling, you actually learn how to ride a bike. The rewards are there for the taking but you HAVE to put in the time.
My suggestion would be to acquire a BMX , head to your local track and practice,practice,practice,practice,practice....yo u get the idea. Not only will you have a great time, you will learn so much more than just manualling, you actually learn how to ride a bike. The rewards are there for the taking but you HAVE to put in the time.
Posted by Trini-dad72 at 05:33 PM on 11-01-2011
I have a BMX, a 24" It tried to kill me. I got the front end up, and was all like, "yeaaa..." then it looped and I wrecked, so I was all like, "fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuu!" Got a sprained ankle and knee. But I still have the bike, and I still hope to learn.
I have a BMX, a 24" It tried to kill me. I got the front end up, and was all like, "yeaaa..." then it looped and I wrecked, so I was all like, "fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuu!" Got a sprained ankle and knee. But I still have the bike, and I still hope to learn.
Posted by ol' dirty at 05:42 PM on 11-01-2011
Good suggestion, Lapointe. If you learn how to properly handle a BMX your confidence and ability to work any bike will skyrocket. Some off season sessions at a bowl, park, track or even a parking lot or stair set will up your game bigtime.
If you can't get a BMX, try learning to manual on a bike that doesn't have really grabby discs - or do what Cam was suggesting - you'll be able to feather the brake to find the balance point much easier.
Good suggestion, Lapointe. If you learn how to properly handle a BMX your confidence and ability to work any bike will skyrocket. Some off season sessions at a bowl, park, track or even a parking lot or stair set will up your game bigtime.
If you can't get a BMX, try learning to manual on a bike that doesn't have really grabby discs - or do what Cam was suggesting - you'll be able to feather the brake to find the balance point much easier.
Posted by lapointe at 06:00 PM on 11-01-2011
:lol:
Oh yeah, I forgot. If you do not have a BMX background you WILL crash and it WILL hurt. Rule #1 There is no soft dirt on a BMX track.....anywhere. For me, it is/was worth the risks to keep going and I'm glad I did, it brought my trailriding to a level I could never have achieved without the BMX training. It isn't easy but its worth the pain.:dizzy:
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Originally Posted by Trini-dad72
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I have a BMX, a 24" It tried to kill me. I got the front end up, and was all like, "yeaaa..." then it looped and I wrecked, so I was all like, "fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuu!" Got a sprained ankle and knee. But I still have the bike, and I still hope to learn.
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Oh yeah, I forgot. If you do not have a BMX background you WILL crash and it WILL hurt. Rule #1 There is no soft dirt on a BMX track.....anywhere. For me, it is/was worth the risks to keep going and I'm glad I did, it brought my trailriding to a level I could never have achieved without the BMX training. It isn't easy but its worth the pain.:dizzy:
Posted by Tmack at 06:29 PM on 11-01-2011
I hate how every how to manual vid makes it look so easy. I gave up. If I could I would manual my 4-runner.
I hate how every how to manual vid makes it look so easy. I gave up. If I could I would manual my 4-runner.
Posted by IFO at 06:45 PM on 11-01-2011
aint that the truth brother...
i even have a DVD that shows how to do it, and it didnt HELP 1 bit...
:swearing:
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Originally Posted by Tmack
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I hate how every how to manual vid makes it look so easy. I gave up.
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i even have a DVD that shows how to do it, and it didnt HELP 1 bit...
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Posted by lapointe at 07:37 PM on 11-01-2011
Although my BMX experience has been limited to the race track, its without question that the other disciplines could only further my bike handling ability....measureably. My next goal is to start a little park/bowl riding, I hope my pain threshold is up for it.:lol:
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Originally Posted by ol' dirty
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Good suggestion, Lapointe. If you learn how to properly handle a BMX your confidence and ability to work any bike will skyrocket. Some off season sessions at a bowl, park, track or even a parking lot or stair set will up your game bigtime.
If you can't get a BMX, try learning to manual on a bike that doesn't have really grabby discs - or do what Cam was suggesting - you'll be able to feather the brake to find the balance point much easier. |
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