2011 BoXXer World Cup

Getting Acquainted

Words by Mike Wallace. Photos by Cam McRae.
Date: 2011-02-21

This was supposed to be the winter of La Niña here in the Lower Mainland. I was so convinced that I went out and bought powder skis. For much of the winter the predictions have been off base and instead the warm rainy weekends have meant that the riding on the local mountains has been awesome. Equally awesome is that late this fall I had the chance to test the latest 2011 World Cup BoXXer. In September I finished a summer of testing the 2010 World Cup (here) so I was keen to see how the 2011 changes stacked up.

2011 BoXXer World Cup, test, mountain biking, cypress, extreme, air, santa cruz V10
  January 26th on the North Shore.

I mounted the new cherry red World Cup on my bright green V10 in time to follow along with the winter Christmas motif.  The colours were a little harsh but at least it might be somewhat photogenic I told myself. The V10 is a great bike for testing downhill forks. The rear suspension is so amazing that it puts a lot of pressure on the fork to succeed. Kind of like testing new tires on an F1 car.

A quick glance at the new 2011 version of the World Cup and you don’t notice much difference. Looking a little closer you see that the adjustment knobs have been changed for 2011. The user friendliness of the adjustment knobs has been improved as well. They don’t just look pretty. Unlike last year the knobs on the tester fork all have noticeable indents or clicks when you turn them.  It's much easier to tune the forks when you can count the clicks.

2011 BoXXer World Cup, test, mountain biking, cypress, extreme, air, santa cruz V10
  Making like Sam Hill. Sam and Thomas Vanderham rode this section of trail in Follow Me.

I had spent a lot of time playing with the adjustments on the 2010 World Cup both at Whistler and on the Shore. I set up the 2011 very similarly to my 2010 'Shore' settings.  Basically the air spring was set to 60 lbs, both ending and beginning stroke rebound set at 50% (there are 24 clicks of ending stroke and 19 clicks of beginning stroke) of the range, high speed compression at 2 clicks and low speed compression at 1 turn. The only difference I found in settings between the 2010 and 2011 is that so far I have only needed the bottom out at 4 turns instead of maxed out at 7 turns.  The more turns on the bottom out the smaller the air chamber becomes and the more the spring rate ramps up during the last 20-30% of the travel.

2011 BoXXer World Cup, test, mountain biking, cypress, extreme, air, santa cruz V10
  Mike Wallace enjoying the fruits of Cypress while he can. Many trails will be lost to development in the coming years.

The tester felt great right out of the box with no mods or oil changing necessary. The ride feels very similar to the 2010 as one would expect. The excellent stiffness is still there. You may remember that my biggest criticism of the 2010 BoXXer World Cup was the lack of small bump compliance. So far this appears to have improved on the 2011, however until spring is here and this fork can be subjected to the hard high speed braking bumps only found in bike parks it is impossible to be sure if there is significant improvement over 2010.

The 20mm Maxle Light DH axle is also upgraded for 2011. I find that it works even more smoothly now, especially when compared to the pre 2010 models.  

2011 BoXXer World Cup, test, mountain biking, cypress, extreme, air, santa cruz V10
  Shawn Cruickshanks travels with Rock Shox and SRAM to do tech work and he also works with the team's Canadian athletes to keep their suspension dialled. If you'd like Shawn to dial your fork in either in Whistler or Squamish, send him an email.

After a couple months of good wet winter riding I took the fork to Shawn Cruickshanks for an overhaul and a little BoXXer World Cup Internals 101. Shawn is based in Squamish and works as SRAM athlete support for Canada when not wrenching down at Tantalus bike shop. His shop in his garage is very sharp looking, very organized and very well equipped. It looks like he and Kim Steed went to the same school of impeccable shop layout. As soon as you see Shawn’s set-up you'll think - this is the guy I want inside my $1800 fork.

The BoXXer World Cup has essentially 3 main internal assemblies that make it work. The air spring in the left fork leg and the compression damper and rebound damper in the right fork leg.  The air spring also includes the volume adjust mechanism. For 2011 the air spring and rebound damper are changed and the compression assembly is basically the same as 2010.

The Rock Shox Solo Air assembly had the o-ring face seal removed on the piston head and replaced by a Schrader valve. The function of these is to equalize the air chambers at the top out position.  The idea is that the valve is more durable and easier to maintain than the seal as well as providing less travel stiction.  This o-ring I remember was a constant problem in the pre 2009 models but was better in 2010 when the o-ring was upgraded. Shawn made it clear that this isn’t the same old Schrader valve you find on your tubes but a very high quality 3000 psi rated valve. The other notable change on the air side is that the bottom out chamber adjustment assembly was improved to make it easier to turn and more durable.

On the rebound side the most significant change was that the ports on the rebound piston were opened up to allow more unrestricted oil flow and therefore prevent any dampening effect.  The goal is have the rebound assembly provide no compression effect. The compression is meant to only provided by the Mission Control DH Compression Damper unit which, as previously mentioned, is basically unchanged for 2011.

2011 BoXXer World Cup, test, mountain biking, cypress, extreme, air, santa cruz V10
  Loaded for some laps.

If you are lucky enough to be set up to do your own fork overhauls you will find the oil volumes and levels in SRAM’s well written Technical manual on line. Be careful not to exceed any of the recommended oil volumes at this can result in reduced travel. There were a lot of complaints about this last year.

Shawn passed on a couple of excellent tips that you won’t find in the manual. If you are a lighter rider or looking to maximize the travel you get out of the fork then instead of fully extending the rebound damper shaft while installing the compression assembly, install the compression assembly when the rebound damper is only 50% extended. This reduces the amount of air in the fork leg and therefore the amount of air available to compress at the end of the stroke.  I tried it and it definitely works - although I don’t think it's necessary for a 170 lb rider like myself. I needed to add more compression dampening to compensate.

I am very impressed with the 2011 BoXXer World Cup so far.  The few minor adjustments SRAM made for 2011 are working well and the details (knobs, indexing, sag gradients etc.) are really nicely improved. Stay tuned for an update on durability and small bump compliance in May when the Whistler Bike Park opens.

The 2011 BoXXer World Cup weighs in at Weight 2714g (5.98 lbs).
MSRP in Canada is $2495 but at this point in the season you should be able to pick one up for under $1500.


Want to get your greedy mitts on one of these? Any queries? Ask below.

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Posted by insulinjunkie at 11:11 PM on 02-21-2011
I just got my new bike, so I haven't had a ton of saddle time, but I can certainly say I am impressed!
Posted by Sideshow at 02:04 AM on 02-22-2011
I am still wondering why people continue to purchase these forks when they are known year after year to be uber high maintenance and have the shortest service life of any fork on the market?

Pretty much every person I know that rides em hard rebuilds em once every 2 weeks, I see that all the top WC guys are on them, but they are getting rebuilt with fresh parts on an almost daily basis.

8 out of 10 that I push on feel like poo as well?

Please people let me have it!
Posted by kperras at 07:57 AM on 02-22-2011
Quote:

Originally Posted by SIDESHOW (Post 2485501)
I am still wondering why people continue to purchase these forks when they are known year after year to be uber high maintenance and have the shortest service life of any fork on the market?

Pretty much every person I know that rides em hard rebuilds em once every 2 weeks, I see that all the top WC guys are on them, but they are getting rebuilt with fresh parts on an almost daily basis.

8 out of 10 that I push on feel like poo as well?

Please people let me have it!

Maybe you shouldn't burn that bridge since you might need to cross it one day.
Posted by FlipFantasia at 08:29 AM on 02-22-2011
Quote:

Originally Posted by SIDESHOW (Post 2485501)
I am still wondering why people continue to purchase these forks when they are known year after year to be uber high maintenance and have the shortest service life of any fork on the market?

Pretty much every person I know that rides em hard rebuilds em once every 2 weeks, I see that all the top WC guys are on them, but they are getting rebuilt with fresh parts on an almost daily basis.

8 out of 10 that I push on feel like poo as well?

Please people let me have it!

I dunno, I ride the shit of my boxxers all year and maybe service them once, if they're lucky, and they keep on rocking....
Posted by nouseforaname at 08:43 AM on 02-22-2011
Thanks for the set up markers Mike.
Posted by THE CHAMP at 08:45 AM on 02-22-2011
I had nothing but goodluck with my previous boxxer, and hopefully it will be the same with my 2011, build will be completed this week.
Posted by Sideshow at 09:06 AM on 02-22-2011
Quote:

Originally Posted by kperras (Post 2485550)
Maybe you shouldn't burn that bridge since you might need to cross it one day.


uh are you serious? Any "industry" person I know would just address my questions. Reliability is a huge issue with products and it is a well known fact that Boxxers have the shortest service life of all the DH forks on the market. 10hrs I believe? Don't quote me there please.

I am glad to hear that not everyone has had the bad luck, they definitely seem hit and miss as is the case with many products in this modern world of overseas mass manufacturing. Look at Marzocchi, its been a rough ride the last couple years, literally for them. They will be the first to admit they blew it, and that's the only way they have a chance at redemption. Sram has many loyal followers, but also many that are fed up with the quality degrading year after year.

I have also been around this industry long enough to know that many people that get deals do not always tell the truth as they are afraid of burning those bridges. It takes a lot more to "burn a bridge" than challenging a product in a forum.

My intention was to provoke a discussion that had representatives from both sides of the fence. So far its just the defenders, maybe the other side will show up soon.....

I was at a DH Race this weekend and ran into about 10 guys that are not on this forum that would seriously challenge the defenders.

There was a lot of discussion regarding why people buy certain products, marketing analysis is pretty important in this world, and most companies can be pretty objective w/o getting their panties in a bunch.
Posted by nouseforaname at 09:48 AM on 02-22-2011
RS is my third choice for a DH fork after Marz and Fox. I hate that they have made products that "just require a simple overhaul" before they can be used. ****ing hate it.

I am riding a Boxxer World Cup in 2011 because it comes on the bike. I get a deal on a bike. I am expecting to have to overhaul it on a regular basis.

Using a Boxxer Team (that i got a deal on) last year made me wish i hadn't given my wife the 2009 888 WC Ti. Now she won't give it back.
Posted by IFO at 09:52 AM on 02-22-2011
i'd rather service a boXXer weekly then ride a Zokie..

8-)
Posted by Sideshow at 10:37 AM on 02-22-2011
Quote:

Originally Posted by IFO (Post 2485598)
i'd rather service a boXXer weekly then ride a Zokie..

8-)


I would like to lend you a fork and see what you think of the new valving.

Interested?
Posted by IFO at 10:49 AM on 02-22-2011
Quote:

Originally Posted by SIDESHOW (Post 2485622)
I would like to lend you a fork and see what you think of the new valving.

Interested?

as the season proper gets closer, for shitsn giggles i might take you up..

but the odds of me liking a Zokie damping system are about as good as winning teh lottery..

i've had tons of Zokie product over the years and was never happy with any of them for a ride quality point of view..

kep in mind i've basicly been on Manitou TPC+ damping for long travel forks for over 10 years..but i did also have several different boXXers i was extremely happy with..
Posted by sAFETY at 11:19 AM on 02-22-2011
I've been super stoked with my 2010 WC with only the initial trip to suspensionworx (granted, it sucks that it was required). I had an opportunity to get my dream fork and I jumped on it, otherwise I'd be doing one more tune on the WC and enjoying a second season on it.

And I don't know what people are on about with the small bump compliance, it's the best fork in that regard I've ever ridden (outside of inverted).
Posted by THE CHAMP at 11:28 AM on 02-22-2011
Its pretty much and endless debate but i bet you would find that most of the people riding one or the other brands had troubles with the other if that makes any sense. i previously had 3 marz forks 2 of the 3 rode fine but all there were garbage on the reliability scale, so i went RS, of the 4 ive had, zero issues, but im sure youll find people with the exact opposite experience.
Posted by FullMonty at 11:33 AM on 02-22-2011
service intervals:

boxxer - drop the lowers every 25 hours of ride time

fox 40 - lift and quick clean of dust wipers every 15 hours (follow this if you want to keep your stanchions) and drop the lowers and change oil every 30 hours.

marzocchi - run it until your oil is grey and smells like a rotting corpse, if you go by the average marzocchi owner's attitude.
Posted by kperras at 09:55 PM on 02-22-2011
Quote:

Originally Posted by SIDESHOW (Post 2485577)
uh are you serious? Any "industry" person I know would just address my questions. Reliability is a huge issue with products and it is a well known fact that Boxxers have the shortest service life of all the DH forks on the market. 10hrs I believe? Don't quote me there please.

I think you missed the point, so I'll clarify it for you.

Since you run a sponsored team, it might just happen in the future that you get dropped by your current fork sponsor and you will then have no choice but to contact Sram. It's unlikely, but your disparaging remarks about their products might come back to bite you in the ass.

I know I might seem a bit hypocritical since I had some nice things to say about crank brothers pedals in another thread, but ya know, just gotta pass some wisdom on to you.
Posted by wa90 at 10:49 PM on 02-22-2011
Quote:

Originally Posted by FullMonty (Post 2485650)
service intervals:
marzocchi - run it until your oil is grey and smells like a rotting corpse, if you go by the average marzocchi owner's attitude.

They're nicely broken in by that point, hardly worth bothering.

:)
Posted by AmCan at 10:52 PM on 02-22-2011
For the budget minded rider the Boxxer RC and R2C2 cannnot be beat. While the overall feel and mainetnce could never compare to my 40's (even after trying several different oils and lathering it up in Judy butter), you get what you pay for.

However I must say that SRAM wins the marketing game by being able to retail the WC for $800 more than the R2C2 and sell loads of them when the difference is a $200 air assembly.
Posted by Sideshow at 11:52 PM on 02-22-2011
Quote:

Originally Posted by kperras (Post 2485952)
I think you missed the point, so I'll clarify it for you.

Since you run a sponsored team, it might just happen in the future that you get dropped by your current fork sponsor and you will then have no choice but to contact Sram. It's unlikely, but your disparaging remarks about their products might come back to bite you in the ass.

I know I might seem a bit hypocritical since I had some nice things to say about crank brothers pedals in another thread, but ya know, just gotta pass some wisdom on to you.

with all due respect:

I am well versed in how to play the game, after 15+ years of being "spawnzered" it's who I choose not who chooses me.
Posted by kperras at 07:58 AM on 02-23-2011
Quote:

Originally Posted by SIDESHOW (Post 2486013)
with all due respect:

I am well versed in how to play the game, after 15+ years of being "spawnzered" it's who I choose not who chooses me.

woosh.
Posted by Sideshow at 08:17 AM on 02-23-2011
un "woosh" me then
Posted by Wayne P at 08:24 AM on 02-23-2011
Quote:

Originally Posted by kperras (Post 2486068)
woosh.

I think you just got whooshed.
Posted by FlipFantasia at 08:29 AM on 02-23-2011
Quote:

Originally Posted by SIDESHOW (Post 2486075)
un "woosh" me then

it's easy....the current does not indicate what the future will be....what happens if your current fav. ends up making garbage and you need to move on, but you've burnt bridges in the past? what happens if the stuff you don't like now becomes very very good and you want to be on it, but you've burnt bridges in the past? the future is unknown and one shouldn't put themselves in a position that may limit their potential opportunities.
Posted by J-Kwon at 10:03 AM on 02-23-2011
everyone has their own preferences with each brands damper, TPC feels different than boxxer, as it feels different from fox(at least the one i tried).

As long as adjustments work within an acceptable and broad range of your preference, and parts and are easy to access, then it really doesn't matter, Its definitely the rider.


@SIDESHOW,

if you can change crank, you can definitely service a rockshox, it is literally retardly easy. I had pike, lyrik, and totem, while i did have issue with seal initially(i bought them both used), after getting new seals it did not give me any problems with 12 days at whistler(8laps on average with garbo in late season), and local mountain+ dirtjumps. it did not need servicing at all.

while, it is not acceptable for rockshox to have forks that may have bad quality assembling(lack of lube, bad seal etc), for most people, they buy used and it is quite acceptable scenario.
people talk bad about products usually because they dont know how to service it.
Posted by Tmack at 10:28 AM on 02-23-2011
888's suck for freeriding
Posted by kperras at 10:34 AM on 02-23-2011
Quote:

Originally Posted by SIDESHOW (Post 2486075)
un "woosh" me then

I understand where you're coming from.

Just think about this: If marzocchi needs to cut their budget down a little, who do you think will be the first to go? Something tells me it's going to be the C4 team and/or its equivalent in other regions.

That will leave you searching for another fork sponsor.

The bigger point is that both you and I are in a sensitive position (me just recently) where we have to be careful about shouting our true opinions about product. Politics are required to get what you want and maintain credibility with others.
Posted by Wayne P at 11:14 AM on 02-23-2011
Both of you make solid points, but Cory is coming from the stand point I already use: chose product that works rather than the product choosing you. I'm pretty sure that Cory would buy a Marzocchi product than get another brand (ie RS) for free. Plus, getting a free fork that requires more work than the one you'd have to buy is better way to go. Who wants to back crappy product?

I'm assuming this is where he's coming from.
Posted by FlipFantasia at 11:24 AM on 02-23-2011
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne P (Post 2486173)
Both of you make solid points, but Cory is coming from the stand point I already use: chose product that works rather than the product choosing you. I'm pretty sure that Cory would buy a Marzocchi product than get another brand (ie RS) for free. Plus, getting a free fork that requires more work than the one you'd have to buy is better way to go. Who wants to back crappy product?

I'm assuming this is where he's coming from.

I work that way too, and pay for my stuff. but again, you have no idea what the future holds, so why paint yourself into a corner?
Posted by THE CHAMP at 11:46 AM on 02-23-2011
I think the point is everyone has made good points.
Posted by nouseforaname at 12:46 PM on 02-23-2011
Quote:

Originally Posted by THE CHAMP (Post 2486184)
I think the point is everyone has made good points.

I'm pointing the finger at you.
Posted by Tmack at 12:47 PM on 02-23-2011
Knock knock, who's there?, the broken pencil....
Posted by THE CHAMP at 02:19 PM on 02-23-2011
the broken pencil who?
Posted by Tmack at 05:37 PM on 02-23-2011
never mind its pointless. thx Semenuk
Posted by MikeO at 08:01 PM on 02-23-2011
Sweet. Now let's all go shred the SSC.
Posted by dreads at 08:22 PM on 02-23-2011
if i had the choice i would take a 888. ive ridden boxxers for a few seasons and they ride great but i dont look forward to the constant rebuilds this season. i know it's really easy to rebuild them ive done it my fair share of times but i cant be bothered anymore. from the few 40's ive ridden i havent been too moved by them, they seem kinda 'dead' and hard to get off the ground but that may be due to the setups. they also feel very burly. 888's just seem like the best thing going i like the feel of the ones ive felt they were just all too soft would need to stiffen them up a bit
Posted by Sideshow at 11:07 PM on 02-23-2011
Quote:

Originally Posted by FlipFantasia (Post 2486180)
I work that way too, and pay for my stuff. but again, you have no idea what the future holds, so why paint yourself into a corner?


Without being painted into a corner you will never learn to climb the walls.

This will sound ridiculous to some, but I am beyond "burning bridges"at this point. I have been around a long time, and my team will ride what I choose to support. Who I support will benefit from the work, I do.

I was on a Dorado for the latter half of last year, and in some ways I think it has advantages over both the Boxxer and the 888. In other places it is a little behind. I deal with people not products. The time I spent on a Dorado opened my eyes to a different feeling fork for sure. Pros and cons to everything in this world folks.

Why did I put my team on Marzocchi rather than the Manitou for 2011?

One word: Naz.

A good friend, and a great asset to me and my athletes. The work that Trident and Zac are doing for Manitou cannot be denied. My support was not needed as they have the BC Cup scene wrapped up.

I also have friends in top positions at Sram, and I could pull the trigger and run the RS if I made the call. This industry is large and employs many people.

I am only here to gain insight into why people continue to run a product that has some serious service limitations, not bash the product. In many ways the Boxxer kicks ass, and we all know a monkey can rebuild one in 12 minutes.

What's the record at the Boxxer Worlds Champs again?

A great saying I heard this week was:

Be careful who you piss off in this industry, they could be your boss next week.
Posted by kperras at 11:16 PM on 02-23-2011
Quote:

Originally Posted by SIDESHOW (Post 2486483)
A great saying I heard this week was:

Be careful who you piss off in this industry, they could be your boss next week.

Exactly. Sram might be your team boss next week.
Posted by Sideshow at 11:22 PM on 02-23-2011
Nope. I am my Team Boss. If questioning a products reliability is all it would take to ruin my chances of working with a company then that is not a company I would work to support.

The industry is much more complex than you are making it out to be.

I appreciate where you are coming from, but I think you are beating a dead horse here.
Posted by lingerbro at 09:24 PM on 02-26-2011
Quote:

Originally Posted by SIDESHOW (Post 2486490)
Nope. I am my Team Boss. If questioning a products reliability is all it would take to ruin my chances of working with a company then that is not a company I would work to support.

The industry is much more complex than you are making it out to be.

I appreciate where you are coming from, but I think you are beating a dead horse here.

thanks buddy you just saved me 2grand I'm keepin my 09 rocky/888....wow the bike "industry" has sure turned into a fashion show for posers
Posted by Sideshow at 10:56 AM on 03-01-2011
Just so it is clear, I was only looking for reasons why people are so pumped on the Boxxer, not so much a bash session.

I know why people don't like Marzocchi, the jury is still out on the Dorado, maybe just the price?