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2023 Rockshox Flight Attendant

Photos Hailey Elise unless noted
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The first time I was in an airplane, in the late 80’s, my mom and I were flying to the Mediterranean coast to meet my father for vacation. He had driven a rental car down a few days earlier. Our family's 1972 VW Beetle 1303S, wasn't ideal for long trips. Ours was not very well maintained either. That's what you get when you don’t know how to fix german cars and can’t afford to take it in for the service.

My dad kept a rainbow umbrella permanently in the frunk along with a boat-load of spare engine parts that he wouldn't even know how to patch together. He decided to leave the bug safe at home in the scorching Turkish sun and not risk having it overheat while crossing the Toros Mountains.

It was my mom's second or third flight and she was visibly uneasy as we boarded the big beige 737 operated by Turkish Airlines, but I was excited. It was a rather luxurious experience from the moment we arrived at the airport. Pilots, passengers and the Flight Attendants were all decked out in the finest uniforms. I was about 6 or 7 years old, wearing short shorts and a Mickey Mouse t-shirt. I am much older and wiser and sophisticated now and wear clothes that say cool words like Mons and TLD and shit..

Obviously I was the ideal candidate for the extremely sophisticated Canyon Spectral:ON CFR LTD with Rockshox’ new Flight Attendant suspension platform, with a 150mm Lyrik and 155mm Super Deluxe controlling the bike.

lyrik flight attendant

The brain of the system. Here showing the Bias setting -2

Flight Attendant is a new-ish product integration from RockShox after a gargantuan R&D project with many athletes over 3 years. The idea is simple, on paper at least; change the damping characteristics of the Fork and Shock with the input from a crank-based pedaling sensor and a fork-based impact sensor. The system is controlled automatically with servos that run on regular AXS batteries. They determine which of the 3 modes the suspension should be in; Open, Pedal and Locked.

The theory is, all you have to do is concentrate on riding while the system will take care of the rest. An automation of this magnitude has been attempted before with less than ideal results. Fox’s live valve has fallen short in principle and execution. The reaction times are slow and the battery packs are bulky and vulnerable. Rockshox has definitely refined the form factor of the Flight Attendant to feel stock, unobtrusive and like it has been there all along. My concern about the challenge of dissecting a complicated new system related to its eMTB host. Thankfully the results were rather obvious quite early on.

deniz merdano canyon spectral on cfr ltd 11

The Flight Attendant Fork Unit that controls the shock Photo: Deniz Merdano

canyon Spectral On flight attendant

The setup : 150/155mm Canyon Spectral On CFR LTD with Flight Attendant

SETUP

Did I charge all the batteries? Was the first question that popped in my head. Once all four batteries were electrified and in place, I was ready to tackle the array of blinky coloured lights that were trying to communicate certain important information to me, incessantly. Oh no... Am I going to be angry at a bunch of lights on my bike now? Turns out there is a "Dark Mode" that dims the lights on the fork for more zen experience.

Currently, the Flight Attendant system is available on ZEB and Lyrik forks and Super Deluxe Air Shocks. The damper is the last generation Charger 2.1 with bladder IFP instead of the current Charger 3 platform with the spring IFP. You do get the Buttercups at the bottom of the lowers where the air and damper shaft connect for amazing small bump sensitivity. You also get the new lowers with air bleed valves for releasing the trapped air that will make the fork less sensitive. The Canyon Spectral:ON is a 155mm rear wheel travel bike and the 150mm Lyrik Flight Attendant may be a slight mismatch, but I will dive deeper into that on the bike review.

Setting up the suspension starts off with sag which is set up traditionally. I measure my rear sag sitting down, which gives me more consistent results than trying to find my “attack” position. I opted for 30% sag on the rear shock seated which will equal 28% or so sag standing up. On the Lyrik, I settled on a 20% sag to keep me higher in the travel as It has 20 mm less travel than what's on my daily driver.

CALIBRATION

There are 2 kinds of people in the world, those that read manuals and and those that fail at setup and go back and read the manual as they should have in the first place. It's not hard to figure out which category I fell into for the calibration process. In my defence, there were a couple of pieces of information missing from the manual that required some digging to figure out. Since then, the AXS App and the manuals have been improved. The idea is simple; pair all the AXS components on the bike into a system and then start your calibration. Which means, that starting at the fork, you will hold the pairing button until it blinks slowly and then go through all the AXS buttons to add them to the fork. Fork, shock, shifter, reverb, reverb controller, pedal sensor and rear derailleur all have to be woken up and added before any of the components go to sleep. You don’t have much time to get the sequence right. This took a few tries to accomplish as I forgot a button each go around. It was mildly frustrating but without this, the fork will not calibrate and the system will never go into Auto mode. It is also worth mentioning that the Spectral:On I received being an early edition, did not get the Flight attendant controller paddle on the left. Instead I got the Reverb only controller which wouldn’t allow me to manually override the flight attendant automatic setting. I sure would have liked to.

Once Calibrated, the 150mm Lyrik informs me of its state in LED lights that blink at certain frequencies. A Slow pulsing Green glow tells me we are in Auto mode. Out of 5 lights, 3 of them are clearly marked Open-Pedal-Lock. When the bike is stationary, the system is ready and Open. I briefly wonder if my settings are even within the ballpark or if it is going to take a ton of time to set up. I am less worried about efficiency as the Bike underneath me boasts a 900Wh Battery and an 80Nm Shimano Motor. A powerhouse like that will erase lots of impurities and setup problems.

I remain unsure if this is the ideal platform to test an electronic suspension controller but I raise the saddle and go for a pedal. The whirr of the FA is similar to the mating call of the AXS derailleur and there is a fancy XX1 on the tail end of this rig. I sure hope I don’t rip it clean off; no mtb photographer’s income can replace that. The beast jumps out of its cage and hits the road at speed. The cranks keep turning and as long as they are, The FA will decide if the suspension is worth locking up partially and/or fully. The split state mode allows for individual control of the Fork and the shock. This means there are situations where the shock can be in Pedal/fork can be in Open or shock in Lock/fork in Pedal mode.

There is the tendency to leave the fork in a less restricted mode than the shock. On a pedal bike, I like this train of thought. The fork never needs to be locked in my opinion, at least not on a longer travel bike. Let the front dive into travel and stiffen up the rear for pedaling. On the eMTB however, I am not so sure if I like that. I may want different things... This is not a human-only powered contraption and the riding nuances are quite different.

When I did the BCBR Megavolt in late Spring last year, I was on a 160mm Travel Orbea eMTB with Fox suspension. The entirety of the ride was in wet conditions on slick trails. The active suspension was necessary to generate as much traction as possible so I set the BIAS on the new FA to -2 to engage a more open state in the suspension. The BIAS setting is represented with the Magenta LEDs have a 5 step range from -2 to +2.

This allows the system to take the input from the cranks and the Fork to decide what mode to stay in. The crank sensor is crucial to the system’s decisions. If the cranks are not spinning, there is very little reason for the suspension to stay locked. But If you have been pedaling for extended periods on tarmac, and the system is locked, you won’t be able to override it just by pushing into the bike to preload for a jump off the curb, which makes jibbing and playing a little more difficult on the way to the trail.

Is the Flight Attendant just like the real thing? All business no play? I find flying hosts to be quite friendly most of the time but they never break into an impromptu dance-off. As long as I sit in my seat and don’t make a massive mess, they have reliably supplied me with food and refreshments on all my flights. The Rockshox FA is no different; it gets the suspension settings done the right way, as long as you play it by its rules.

I quite like being able to see your compression settings by looking at the lights at a quick glance. I wish there was more information put out about rebound settings too.

Canyon flight attendant hailey

The Flight Attendant Lyrik suits the agile Spectral On nicely

Unlike an intercontinental flight, things happen quite quickly and abruptly on eMTB rides. There are quick repetitive hits on the climbs as you charge at them with 3-4 times the speed you would on your pedal bike. This means the suspension needs to act and react quickly enough to provide traction to the rear wheel. At speeds of 20km/h, the time it takes for the rear wheel to go over the same obstacle the front wheel has gone over is quite short. First the system needs to decide if the last 10 seconds of the trail you have been riding was smooth or bumpy, then it needs to decide if your bump into the obstacle was big enough to warrant an open suspension or locked.

On a long travel Enduro bike, the time it takes for the wheels to go over the same root are much longer than on an eMTB, so there is ample time for the body and suspension to prepare for the forward propulsion that needs to happen for optimal rear wheel traction over a greasy root. I found the reaction time for the FA system to be a touch on the slow side to fully open by the time the rear wheel touches the bump. A locked out 50 lb ebike in Boost mode cannot generate enough traction in situations like this and it cost me a few technical climbs because of the delay. I think the system would work exceptionally well on pedal bikes but perhaps it's not yet ideal for eMTBs.

flight attendant rebound knob

Lost rebound knob caused an oil leak, thankfully on the non-rotor side

On the descents however, the Flight Attendant stayed open quite well and out of the way. There were no unwanted lockouts on flowy jump trails and the Lyrik/Super Deluxe-Combo is an absolute bump eater. I even took the big E-MTB to the Whistler Bike Park to chase fast EWS riders around all day with heavy camera gear. The platform was unbelievable on the A-Line and Freight Train jumps and there were no braking bumps to bother the heavy, stable and hella-plush chassis of the Canyon Spectral:ON

At the end of the day I noticed a loss in rebound damping and a solid coating of oil on my front wheel which was caused by a missing rebound knob on the Lyrik. This knob not only adjusts your rebound but also acts as a seal to the system. With every compression, oil spurted out of the legs and onto my front wheel. This was less than ideal but was remedied rapidly by the SRAM guys on site. A fresh knob and a rebuild later, I was up and running in no time considering unlike previous years, SRAM was not running Tech service at Crankworx 2022. Kudos to them for getting me sorted out in no time.

As a little easter egg, they pushed my Lyrik to 160mm travel and changed the game completely for the Canyon tester. I will also talk about that in the bike review.

Flight attendant crank sensor

Sram Crank Sensor plays nicely with the Shimano Spindles.

What's the verdict?

It's hard not to be impressed by the Flight Attendant's tech wizardry. It works as advertised and battery life is quite long. I seldom charged the batteries in the system and could easily get 15 hours of ride time on a single charge. This is about half as long as an AXS derailleur but the dampers work twice as much. The idea of keeping 4 batteries charged all the time is overwhelming however. If SRAM made a 2 or 4 battery charger unit, it would be very handy for this household. I once rode with no batteries on the fork and shock and left the system off for a more "pure" experience. It went exactly how thought it would; excellently. I really don't think the eMTB is the best place for this system, at least not yet. Put one on an Enduro Sled and I may change my tune. Perhaps more fork integrations are on the way too. The SID, for example, is definitely worthy of Flight Attendant status.

However, unless your bike comes with one, you need the correct frame for Flight Attendant Compatibility. Trek Slash, YT Capra, Canyon frames and possibly the Specialized Enduro will accept the bulk of the shock and the fork but I couldn't fit the shock on the Orbea Rallon that's my daily driver.

2899 CAD is also a hefty sum for a toy like this if you are not sure if you'll actually need it. You get a Fork, Shock, Crank Sensor and Batteries for that money.

I would also want a few more features. The high speed compression adjustment being one and rebound compression setting information being another.

Even without the roboty bits, the 2023 Rockshox suspension is a fantastic option to consider. From Buttercups to hydraulic bottom out controls, the fork and shock perform in line with the very best. I'd be curious to see if there will be any firmware updates to the Flight Attendant to change a couple of parameters for E-MTBs or tweak some features.

Rockshox Flight Attendant

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Deniz Merdano

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mhaager2
+14 bullit Deniz Merdano mnihiser Morgan Heater Cr4w Ryan Walters bishopsmike LWK FlipSide doodersonmcbroseph 4Runner1 Andy Eunson Nologo Velocipedestrian

It’s funny. Generally I love tech, but when it comes to bikes I am a bit more of a Luddite when it comes to electronics. I can see the potential of systems like this, and understand the benefits of electronic shifting, but for me personally the upsides just aren’t enough to outweigh my perceived cons, even before taking the extra cost into consideration.  There is something really nice about having a purely mechanical machine.

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denomerdano
+1 bullit

Well said!

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rolly
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I'm all good for tech if it gives me a better experience in general. I rode Flight Attendant on a YT Jeffsey last summer. I didn't love the Jeffsey, especially after just coming off a Canyon Spectral. But what made it less enjoyable was the constant zip-zip of the Flight Attendant. I'm sure you would just get used to it, but that irritated me to no end.

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bullit
+13 4Runner1 Kos Andrew Major Cr4w Vincent Edwards Joseph Crabtree kcy4130 Shoreboy IslandLife Morgan Heater Jerry Willows Nologo Velocipedestrian

5 batteries on bike  it´s just nonsense

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denomerdano
+5 IslandLife imnotdanny Morgan Heater bishopsmike Nologo

8 actually when you count the controller batteries and the crank sensor too

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doodersonmcbroseph
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I don't know how to emoji on this but :facepalm:

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Jotegir
+1 doodersonmcbroseph

The lack of integration is pretty dumb. Bike brands know some riders will want to do this. Every EEB should have accessible data and power ports in various locations (no thank you, I am not interested in dropping a motor every time I want to slap a light on, Bosch). I get that some things might be challenging to hard wire like the fork, but for the vast majority of others, it should be integrated. And integrated at the factory if the bike has been specced that way. 

ONE charge port, ONE battery, guys.

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kcy4130
+5 4Runner1 Kos bullit Morgan Heater bishopsmike

Sounds pretty light on the pros and heavy on the cons...

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denomerdano
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For this application.. i think it would be a better experience on a long travel pedal bike

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IslandLife
+1 Deniz Merdano

Especially for actual enduro racing... making those mid stage climbs (and any pedally section really), easier/faster would probably net an appreciable difference. Even the transitions... without having to think about it and save you some energy. Again, over a whole day of racing = probable appreciable difference. But then there's the cost... for a pro it's not an issue, but privateer and more grassroots racings series... that's a steep price for a few seconds and bragging rights.

Any pros in the EWS using this yet? Didn't really notice it last season... but wasn't really looking. Fox Live Valve never took off for pros because of obvious reasons, but I could see this being useful.

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denomerdano
+1 IslandLife

Both Harriet Harden and Ella Connely did very well racing the series with Flight Attendant last year! Winning either stages or entire races!

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just6979
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I would be very curious to see the numbers on how often the system activated on the timed stages.

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andrewbikeguide
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I think the hesitation for the pros is the loss or lack of ability to adjust HSC on the fly. Whilst it seems like a small matter when they are racing for seconds over 5-7 stages it obviously makes a difference. Probably more at rounds where there is a significant difference in track characteristics between stages. For mere mortals the fact that the basic HSC setting is neutral is probably good enough. 

The Flight Attendant system is awesome and it makes a noticeable difference on long technical climbs where the systems shifts itself extremely quickly and always seems to be in the right mode. I have spent about a year testing the difference between the different settings and "off" on trails that I know well and ride regularly. It is long climbs like Nimby in Pemberton and Yummy Numby up to Bring on the Weekend in Whistler style of trails where one really feels and sees the difference. 

Denis point about batteries is fair but it is easy to keep on top of with the notifications that come through the AXS app. I average about 20 hrs for the front suspension, 35 hrs for the shock, 175 hrs for the pedal sensor. As each AXS component battery is meant to be supplied with a charger it is easy to end up with the four chargers one 'needs' to charge a Flight Attendant bike's worth of AXS batteries simultaneously:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/SRAMAXSOwners/permalink/3422404848039915/

It makes such a difference in efficiency that I quite often choose to ride my Sight (155 rear/ 170 front) on trails that would seem to make more sense on my 2020 Optic (125 rear/ 150 front).

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nickmaffei
+1 IslandLife

Charlie Murray from Specialized also ran it, won Trophy of Nations and ended up 8th overall.

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kavurider
+5 Joseph Crabtree Sandy James Oates Cr4w trumpstinyhands Velocipedestrian

Great review!  It is interesting learning more about this system.

But on the other hand, I just can't wrap my head around 5 batteries and a motor.  Just seems needlessly overcomplicated.

Can't wait to see these on the back of a luxury SUV heading to the nearest bike path.

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denomerdano
+1 Jotegir

It's been on the back of my 2003 Forester (the OG xuv) heading to malls for a while now . :) 

8 betteries and whole alot to go wrong. But the idea is sound. Perhaps not the best platform to mount it on...

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cooperquinn
+7 Andrew Major Mammal imnotdanny kcy4130 Carlos Matutes 4Runner1 Jotegir

"the OG xuv"

...the AMC Eagle would like a word with you.

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denomerdano
+1 imnotdanny

Less common at malls around the Shore though

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IslandLife
+2 doodersonmcbroseph JT

And much, much more commonly, in the shop!

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Losifer
+3 IslandLife AndrewR Jotegir

Sorry, but you're 100% wrong.

(There's not enough of them still actually running to be more common in the shop!)

cheapondirt
+4 kcy4130 LWK Velocipedestrian Justin White

Fancy new things can make me wish there was room for them in my budget/priorities. This isn't one of those times.

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LWK
+3 Carlos Matutes Niels van Kampenhout Justin White

So $3K CAN.  Not sure about other brands but I see the Trek Slash with this is >$16K at full retail - LOL...

I would take the 3 grand and put it to a nice MTB vacation in sea to sky corridor instead.  The benefits to my riding and the memories will be long lasting and way more tangible and valuable.  I know this could be said for almost any bike gadget but the "marginal gains" for this particular gadget seem to be very, very marginal indeed.

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GB
+1 Sandy James Oates

"pair all the AXS components on the bike into a system and then start your calibration. Which means, that starting at the fork, you will hold the pairing button until it blinks slowly and then go through all the AXS buttons to add them to the fork. Fork, shock, shifter, reverb, reverb controller, pedal sensor and rear derailleur all have to be woken up and added before any of the components go to sleep."

Wow . Simple . 

I like to oil my chain and hop on my bike . 

All that's missing with this blue tooth plush toy is a sexy Brittish voice telling you:

The settings are correct , 

You appear to have made an error. 

My favorite: Your bike is now in flight attendant mode.

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denomerdano
+1 GB

Apart from remembering to charge 4 batteries every now and then, this bike is not any higher in maintenance. I even forget to oil the chain sometimes.

But I'm all for a talking FA system. Definitely in variety of accents

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andrewbikeguide
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Nah it would reduce battery life and the speaker would be a potential ingress point for dust and damp.

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denomerdano
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It's bluetooth and connects to your earpods... :)

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GB
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Especially the German accent . They spit a lot .

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jt
+1 Deniz Merdano

I won't hop on the Luddite train as there are a lot of mechanical parts on bikes that weren't needed by folx before us. Maybe as things become accepted as norm over time this may too fall into that same paradigm. Currently I hope not as I'd hate to be out someplace with no 'net access and find myself desperately needing a firmware update to adjust a basic control. 

This does really start splitting camps between dedicated racer and enthusiast. Reading the comments highlights that pretty well. I find the suspension systems in trophy trucks fascinating, but I'd rather be as battery independent as I can when it comes to a bike.

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kos
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Great review. Being a bit of a tech geek, I thought this might be for me, but too many cons, as noted above.

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dirtnapped
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Ugg so much work to just do for a bike ride. 

Excellent read, though.

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LoamtoHome
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I think the most beneficial reason for Flight Attendant would be for an EWS racer with some stages having some climbing/punchy sections but you are gaining weight with this setup so who knows overall long term on an entire race.

Anyone else using it is just flexing their wallet size/industry connection imo.

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denomerdano
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Pretty much bang on. Our trails do not necessitate this complication. But a racer who is on the gas the whole time or riders in literally any other part of the continent, could benefit from self adjusting suspension.

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morgan-heater
+1 Cooper Quinn

I could see it sort of making sense for someone who rides rolling terrain with lots of pedaling on flats and punchy climbs. Seems super silly for the winch and plummet riding I do.

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danithemechanic
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Deniz, sorry non-electronic question here.

What's up with the rebound knob? It used to be a non-deadly loss for RS forks, and pretty hard to lose in the later years.

Is it the same for all the dampers on my23 forks?

If i understood correctly losing one or taking it off will drain your damper oil, wich means simple lower leg services would require at least bleeding the damper for these forks, am i correct?

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denomerdano
+1 danithemechanic

That's what it seems to be. Although I can't confirm if the charger 3 is different or not. This fork is a bit ofa hybrid between 2.1 and 3 with Buttercups and lower chassis but with the bladder IFP. It might be unique to the FA platform. I'll try to confirm.

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andrewbikeguide
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No just the oil that sits in the lowers drains out when the rebound knob/ bolt is removed. No damper bleed required for the lowers service.

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just6979
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The knob being gone shouldn't drain the lowers, because that bolt and the hole through the bolt for the knob both goes into the damper shaft, no opening into the lowers.

I also don't see how it would drain the damper, though, because that would mean that the damper would leak whenever you took the lowers off. I don't think the damper shaft even has oil in it anyway, because how would it be held back by a hex key fitting into a hex hole? There is no o-ring on the part of the knob that goes into the damper.

I think the knob loss and the leaking were coincidental, the leak being just from a loose bottom bolt.

This goes with: "At the end of the day I noticed a loss in rebound damping". Why would it just be rebound damping affected by loss of damper oil, and not compression damping as well? I think that was just in your head after you noticed the oil.

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danithemechanic
+1 Justin White

Seems like a realistic explanation, but i'd still wait for Deniz answer to come to conclusions.

In the end he was riding a demo bike, wasn't he? Maybe the fork was pre-production.

Meanwhile i checked the service manual, the fork uses a bladder damper (thus no ifp) and the rebound knob is the usual one.

Looks like something else went wrong.

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just6979
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I forgot about the buttercups: it looks like with buttercups, there is potentially a connection from the lowers to the outside: through the knob hole and the buttercup holder, if the threaded hole on the bottom of the buttercup holder for the bottom bolt is a through-hole, not a blind hole  (I can't find a picture that shows it).

Looks like there is a dynamic seal at the top of the buttercup holder, but I could definitely see the action of the cups slowly sucking oil into the buttercup holder. Then, _if _the bottom bolt hole is a through hole, that ingested oil would probably get pumped out if the knob fell out.

Still wouldn't effect damping.

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denomerdano
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There are alot of things in "my head" but making up the loss of rebound damping is not one. It could have been separate incidents happening at once coincidentally. 

The buttercup to lowers interface might have worked itself loose to leak the oil in the lowers.

I can't remember how long the shafts in the older rebound knobs were but this one is about 3" long, which seemed longer than usual. 

Have a look at the teardown we did a while back HERE

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just6979
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"The buttercup to lowers interface might have worked itself loose to leak the oil in the lowers."

That still has nothing to do with the rebound knob, it's the same as a loose bottom bolt without buttercups (damper shaft to lowers interface). Still a coincidence between the knob loss, the [bath] oil loss, and the damping loss.

Makes sense the shaft on the knob is longer: it has to reach through the buttercups. Also makes sense that with the cups it's going to be more likely to lose a knob, because the upper/internal interface of the knob shaft to the adjuster rod is going to be sliding around when the cups move. There are going to be some forces trying to push (and pull) the set screw past the groove, so if the knob's set screw is on the limit of holding on, perhaps bye bye knob.

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just6979
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Wow, you literally answered the number one question I had about FA: is it fast enough? Based on this, I'd actually say it's also too slow for most people who like to ride fast on rolling-to-flat terrain. I pedal a lot through rough traverses and if the suspension magically stiffened, I'd be losing traction in the exact way you described: "A locked out 30 lb trail bike (50 lb ebike) w_ith a rider hauling ass_ (in Boost mode) cannot generate enough traction in situations like this"

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denomerdano
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If the terrain you are pedaling through has bumps, the system will not lock up on you. It may go into pedal mode depending on your bias setting but it will not fully lock

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mtbman99
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All I would like is a wireless lockout switch it doesn’t need to automatically adjust anything on the fly just give me open and closed on my handle bar.

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Bikeridenow
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Thanks for the great article. Just started riding my Jeffsy with AXS and it is pretty unreal, loving it.

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Riken1
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where is available for 2899 CAD ?

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just6979
-1 Deniz Merdano

"The high speed compression adjustment being one and rebound compression setting information being another."

What is "rebound compression"?

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denomerdano
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just ill use of terminology... moving on...

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just6979
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Just trying to figure out what you meant. Tons of good info here, including the "features would I want", except one of those is an unknown quantity.

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